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My son Karl has been out and about again gathering up pieces. These pieces we were told of and visited about fifteen years ago. Then they disappeared to surface recently  for sale having been with another collector. A deal was done and now in storage at home. These parts were apparently used as industrial trailers, whether it was  one trailer or parts of many is the unknown factor.

 The Commer Car rear axle is clearly distinguishable and identifiable, but the other parts are for problem solving.


The chassis section has separate  riveted dumb irons attached to the front cross member.     

Commer Car unload alt eml Dec 20 6846.jpg

Commer Car set chassis alt eml Dec 20 6844.jpg

Commer Car set chassis alt eml 6843.jpg

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Part 2 

On the off side top face of the cross member is stamped  numbers, however a weld  could be covering more. Unusual for chassis numbers to be stamped on the right, but that could be a major link for identity. 3239 is stamped on the cross member with         T 8062 on the right dumb iron. the top bar of the T has out reaching sections, so the question is could it be a symbol of an inspector.


The front rear spring mounts are C shaped.



Commer Car Set Chassis numbers Dec 20 alt eml 6857.jpg

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The next section is a heavily blacksmithed axle similar to that used by Leyland to support the diff housing on the W type model. This is too shallow for a W type but may have suited a lighter model of the period. ( c 1909). It does not have the finish of a casting but has the holes in the ends for the axles to pass through. Missing is the sections that held the backing plates for the brakes,  narrowing the wheel track. Also the stub axles have been cut short. This could be a NZ made item or a replacement part urgently made.

Commer car set Dec 20 alt eml 6862.jpg

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part 4 

The wheels attached to blacksmithed axle are 720mm across OD.  Cast marks are TL and the word FIRE. 

So far any research has not linked these marks to any maker.

The pattern of the flanges about and between the spokes top and bottom are similar to Commer Car but all photos seen to date show 8 spokes where as this set has only 6 spokes.

 One wheel is positioned about the wrong way on the stub axle, hence the different views. 

What has come from previous uses makes this confusing, but the individual items separately are interesting, and confusing to identify.



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Commer Car set  fire Dec 20 alt eml 6866.jpg

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51 minutes ago, Richard Farrant said:

The wheels with the word FIRE cast on them, is it possible they were specifically for a fire engine?

Searched that with no luck. A small diameter wheel with 6 spokes. Also searched for foundries with the name Fire and TL. No joy. Hence the questioning now to others.


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The chassis section has been identified through another website as being from a Service  truck made in the USA. The dumb irons and rear spring mounts match. 

 However  there is still the question if those parts were only ever used by Service  or were they purchased in parts, available also to other assemblers of vehicles. 


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