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  1. Tony's restorations are second to none ; I don't think anyone in the thread is saying anything different, I followed both Tony's WOT1 & 3 projects with awe and have communicated with Tony previously over the years. The colours possibly suggested by Hendon, who provided a document ; the problem was 22 years ago the document couldn't properly be interpreted. I visited Hendon 30 plus years ago when in London for a few days at an MoD outpost. Although booking an appointment and informing them of my queries they couldn't really help with colours; aircraft they could give chapter verse
  2. I wonder if M Starmer realised how many years ago this restoration took place, his letter implies it was the work of the team at the RAF Fire Museum ??
  3. Hi Tony, several years ago you were kind enough to share a copy of your Air Ministry Order (AMO) with me. Since then I have spent many hours and far too much pension obtaining many other AMOs from RAFM Hendon. The 2 colours mentioned in the subject AMO brown special No 2 and dark brown 1A are SCC2 and SCC 1A detailed in the War Office chart No 15 mentioned in Mike Starmer's letter. Unlike the Army the RAF always added a bit more detail to titles, the word special refers to the paints anti-gas properties for instance. Actually in the British Standard 987c the colours didn't have name but
  4. PTO driven pumps was the normal practise in the 1930s for fire engines, the reason to go self contained was the ability to move the unit between chassis or other use. TED
  5. I have extracts from a huge HMG report looking at the emergency fire service in UK 1938 to 1946. the self contained pump units could be mounted in canal barges, on Acedes 2 axle trailers, on auxiliary fire boats, on hardstanding beside lakes, on bridges or on vehicle chassis. This meant with minimal modification a pumping unit could be reallocated. If a vehicle broke down or was written off the pump unit could be removed as a complete unit. There were 3 types of Heavy unit, in terms of mounting on a vehicle it was just a few bolts and the electrical connection between the pumping unit and veh
  6. of course I always blame my age !! Ted.
  7. yes of course different varnishes have a different effect, I have the same issue on my models. The paint would no doubt have been from different manufacturers, with many years between them. Once a paint is tinned it starts to degrade hence all our paint had manufacturers date, batch and a use by date. this goes a long way to explain the hue defferences. , even as late as 1990 we were getting BS paints with differences between batches but still met the colour of that particular BS number. Enjoy your christmas prep, with just me and the wife not much to do. TED.
  8. Lots of colours are described as RAF blue or blue grey, A tunic was mentioned in an earlier post. My first working uniform was the rough serge battle dress , now it was much darker than my best blue, then came a working dress in the same material as the best blue, the jacket was a very dark blue the trousers similar to the best blue, we then got lightweight summer trousers for UK and Europe a much more mottled colour ! All different but all loosely termed RAF Blue. But lets return to RAF Blue Grey BS 381 colour 33, in 1948/9 and third numeral was added blues had a 1 prefix 2 was gre
  9. How can you say the Bedford OX at Lytham St Annes is prewar blue grey ? I have seen pictures of it and it looks freshly done ! ? At the outbreak of WW2 Queen Mary trailers were hauled by either Commer or Crossley tractor units . I would guess camo or at least a single colour finish in KG3 would have been called for. The pre and post war colour had the same BSC , if the mix had changed the number would have changed . TED
  10. Yes I did, thanks Mike I have corrected both stud numbers- brain was fogged with numbers TED
  11. Some 10years ago I looked into this actual vehicle: I will call it a wolf in sheep's clothing ! The first massed produced SELF PROPELLED appliance by the Home Office for war emergency use was the HEAVY UNIT. It first appeared in 1938 on a Ford 7V chassis, subsequently produced on Bedford and Austin chassis plus a small number on Morris Commercials. 3 fire engineering companies produced their own version of the actual self contained pumping unit- pump directly coupled to an engine of between 29 & 33 hp , fuel tank and cooling system enclosed in a cowling all mounted on its own short chas
  12. Playing with the tones that has darker wings so I would say post 46-
  13. Afraid not just listed as a "Utility Hardtop " no location, Ted.
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