ruxy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1574872/Russian-tanks-eBay-Ukraine-selling-tanks-military-equipment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 With or without embedded NLAW? 😉 Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 hours ago, andym said: With or without embedded NLAW? 😉 Andy Does a T72 have any protection from NLAW ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZM305 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 12 hours ago, ruxy said: Does a T72 have any protection from NLAW ? So far........ apparently not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 depends which model of t72 they are fielding. from what we have seen so far, it would appear that some old spec 'sacrificial' armour has been pushed to the front to test the waters. NLAW is single shaped charge with either top or side attack mode. Frontline t72 has extensive explosive reactive armour covereage (even on turret roof) and active AT missile protection. As with any tank though-just shoot it up the back end and knock it out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 So far as I can see, we have been very clever by not only giving the Ukrainians the NLAW and telling them how to use it but also we have had the time to train them in the underlying tactics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I don't doubt the Russians have a million gazillion tanks, but exactly how many of those are 21st century-spec? They won't risk all of those for an invasion I think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwardle Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Has anyone else noticed that quite a lot of the Russian vehicles used in the invasion of Ukraine are rather long in tooth? For example Uaz 452 vans, Ural 375s and Zil 131s. Are these vehicles in regular service with the Russian army, or ere they dragged out of storage from Soviet times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 exactly what I am seeing. Makes you wonder what the game plan is. We all know if they wanted to, Russian forces could have used their better toys to be done and dusted by now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 If power station fissile material is spread (by fault of muppets to the pyramid top) over Scandinavia, west & east Europe , then NATO may see that as the equiv. of the Russians launching tactical weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 5 hours ago, terryb said: exactly what I am seeing. Makes you wonder what the game plan is. We all know if they wanted to, Russian forces could have used their better toys to be done and dusted by now? Underestimating the opposition, possibly? Andy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 The advice that I am getting is that eventually the Russians will win stage one but they simply do not have the troops to maintain control across the whole country after that. That needs a certain density of troops which, mathematically, they cannot achieve. Nevertheless, I still have hope that the Ukrainian armed forces can do the 'impossible'. On the equipment, it maybe that they have concentrated on shiny tanks and aircraft at the expense of boring CSS (Combat Service Support, AKA Logistics. This is a mistake frequently made by armed forces around the world, particularly when corrupt politicians get involved in procurement decisions. I cannot believe that we are seeing state on state conflict, in Europe, in the 21st Century. It is beyond miserable. John 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 Putin seems to have a belief in Sir Halford Mackinder's "Heartland Theory" + the BIG 2.1/2 at Yalta. Karl Haushofter who part educated Hitler , had a fall out with him at Rudolf Hess's son's birth party - saying Hitler did not understand , Hitler said nothing and quietly left the party and got on with Op. Barbarossa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 It's all very sad and quite what the west can do I really don't know but lets just hope that the Chinese don't take advantage of the situation and try something as well. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 It might not be impossible the Chinese are paying close attention and are unpleasantly surprised that the EU and NATO actually put aside a lot of their internal differences and formed an united front against Russia. I'm pretty sure this has been an unpleasant surprise for Putin too and something he didn't think was possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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terryb Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 so that's who's putting them on ebay...... can't wait for the Hermes guy to drop mine off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 This current fiasco could have been avoided, apparently a few weeks ago a handpicked unit from the ARW were dropped into a forest just outside Moscow with instructions to take out Putin. Unfortunately they misunderstood the instructions and took him 10 pin bowling on the first night and were seen together in a posh Moscow restaurant last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Only in Ukraine.... on the BBC news showing civilians driving around with SAAB defence NLAWs in their boot (about $33000 each!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) On 3/7/2022 at 5:35 PM, radiomike7 said: This current fiasco could have been avoided, apparently a few weeks ago a handpicked unit from the ARW were dropped into a forest just outside Moscow with instructions to take out Putin. Unfortunately they misunderstood the instructions and took him 10 pin bowling on the first night and were seen together in a posh Moscow restaurant last week. See also "Mr Jolly Lives Next Door" by the Comic Strip (Rik Mayall, Adrian Edmondson et al) from back in the 80s... lol Edited March 11, 2022 by John F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 This one may need a bit more work, but I'm sure that Rick would have it good as new inside a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I can't fail to think of all those fine young men on both sides losing their lives in such an unnecessary war. It really pains me. On a technical note, it is interesting to see so many T72s with their turret having been blown off by the ammunition initiating. It is also hard to understand why the ERA blocks appear to be so insensitive to the heat. John 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 hour ago, attleej said: I can't fail to think of all those fine young men on both sides losing their lives in such an unnecessary war. It really pains me. On a technical note, it is interesting to see so many T72s with their turret having been blown off by the ammunition initiating. It is also hard to understand why the ERA blocks appear to be so insensitive to the heat. John Absolutely agreed, John. On the ERA front, that has intrigued me too. I'm wondering if they are actually ERA or just something put there for show. That in turn makes me wonder about things like the Armata which is conspicuous by its absence. How many of those are just mockups for parades? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwardle Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Ref the ERA blocks, I saw a video on YouTube about the ERA on Russian tanks in Ukraine, apparently most of the side ERA bags are filled with all sorts of rubbish to make them look like they are filled with ERA, but the egg cartons and other rubbish doesn't work like ERA for some reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 A number of the photos I've seen suggest that the "ERA" is just slabs of steel plate. The real scandal here is what the tank crews were told - sent into battle with completely ineffective armour (which should have defeated NLAW) while some official is lurking in his dacha built with the proceeds? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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