question UK pettol and diesel ban on cars from 2040

[Surveyor]

Has anyone seen the news regarding the banking of petrol and diesel cars, i can find no information regarding the vehicles we are trying to maintain.

Any comments?

[monty2]

i have no idea and i think nobody yet, but realistically you would expect a ban on sales of new cars. Second hands ones will fade away in the next 20 years problems solved. Leaves the problem where to get fuel in 2050 or 60

[Jimland74]

The ban is on the sale of NEW petrol and diesel vehicles. It'll be a very sad day

[Surveyor]

 

i have no idea and i think nobody yet, but realistically you would expect a ban on sales of new cars. Second hands ones will fade away in the next 20 years problems solved. Leaves the problem where to get fuel in 2050 or 60

Thinking out loud this could be like the removing 2 and 4 star petrol and trying to find replacement

[w896andy]

I wouldn’t panic as I’ve mentioned on another thread, it’s a statement by a Minister who only has a 5 year remit, he will be very long gone in 2040, how often do Politian’s say something that never happens next month let alone over 20 year’s time.

 

That's before you even start on funding the scrapping of 25 million cars and 10 million lorries/buses !!!!! Never say never but highly unlikely is a good guess.

[nz2]

The articles to date are not all that clear. If the idea is to remove small commuter cars what happens then to the commercial vehicles carrying the goods and needs of the population. Electrics for close suburban work, but too what weight

Should that extend out to other transport, another area requiring fuel is marine vessels. Will it be no more outboard motors, as on smaller fishing boats and other specialist boats. No more Coast guard etc.

Are we going back to sail power on the water and steam on the land!

[andym]

There's already been some discussion in this thread: http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?57698-Has-the-military-vehicle-price-bubble-burst but beware of the inaccurate over-dramatic reporting in the newspapers. The ban will apply only to new entirely petrol and diesel engined cars, it does not ban hybrids (which are probably the only realistic option for a lot of people) and they will still need fuel as will all the other users of internal combustion engines.

 

Andy

[andym]

The articles to date are not all that clear. If the idea is to remove small commuter cars what happens then to the commercial vehicles carrying the goods and needs of the population. Electrics for close suburban work, but too what weight

Should that extend out to other transport, another area requiring fuel is marine vessels. Will it be no more outboard motors, as on smaller fishing boats and other specialist boats. No more Coast guard etc.

Are we going back to sail power on the water and steam on the land!

 

The idea is to remove the largest source of NOx - commuter cars. Although lorries, buses and boats etc. may produce more NOx on an individual basis, there are far fewer of them than cars, so their total pollution contribution is less.

 

Andy

[steph1960]

There is also the issue of government revenue, over 50% of the fuel cost is tax and this will have to be sourced from elsewhere.

[Surveyor]

Heard a radio broadcast today, the farmers are saying what's happening to them in all this.

It seems it was issued due to a court order and ties in with one minister, can't remember the name, who wants to ban all diesels.

[Mk3iain]

What is going to become of the used (electric/hybrid) cars after the dealers stop supporting them. Will they be supportable by your local garage at reasonable cost or by self maintenance. The technology used at the moment may mean there is no longer a long term second hand market, does this mean many people will be costed out of car ownership?

 

Iain

Edited July 27, 2017 by Mk3iain

[attleej]

Dear All,

 

This makes a great headline but it describes a situation 23 years ahead! We have no idea what technology will offer at that point. However, it is very unlikely that we actually drive our day to day means of personal transport. Everything new will be driverless.

 

As for liquid fuels it is merely a chemical that is heavily taxed. There will always be something available for classic equipment and vehicles. I once ran out of petrol in my aunty Rover but had 5 litres of thinners. It went fine! Of course, another system of taxing road transport will have to be devised.

 

I would not worry about it. It was just a headline stating the blindingly obvious.

 

John

[.303fan]

Can a 2.25 or 2.5 diesel be converted to a multi fuel? Just wondering if it could be done in a series 3 landy.

[Tony B]

Diesel is the easeist to convert, after all Diesel's original concept was a cheap reliable engine 'For the Masses' and ran on Peanut oil. Sunflower Oil I was told by veg oil experts is actually the most volitile. As that what told to me whilst watching a 150 ton drum drier going up in smoke, I'm inclined to believe him. :-D

 

You know with all the 'Dangers' that seem to be being found latley I think it a wonder I've lived so long. For instance I don't drink alcahol, which all the Consultants I've seen over the last year (Another Story) have said great ideal for the treatment you need! But this morning a Danish bunch have announced that their statistics 'prove' I'm 30% more likely to get Diabties by not drinking.

 

What's happned to Hydrogen by the way? Part of selling London for the 2012 Olympics was a trip on a Hydrogen Powered bus. There were two at First Group up North London, great things went a like a rocket very reliable drivers and passengers liked them. Problem was, they were so quiet, people didn't know they were coming. I've bene told one company has been told stop using hybrid buses in one area as because they make no noise moving off people are walking under them. . Unexpected consequences.

Edited July 28, 2017 by Tony B

[lowfat]

Its just a diversion from brexit boys and girls

[Ashcollection]

Diesel is the easeist to convert, after all Diesel's original concept was a cheap reliable engine 'For the Masses' and ran on Peanut oil. Sunflower Oil I was told by veg oil experts is actually the most volitile. As that what told to me whilst watching a 150 ton drum drier going up in smoke, I'm inclined to believe him. :-D

 

You know with all the 'Dangers' that seem to be being found latley I think it a wonder I've lived so long. For instance I don't drink alcahol, which all the Consultants I've seen over the last year (Another Story) have said great ideal for the treatment you need! But this morning a Danish bunch have announced that their statistics 'prove' I'm 30% more likely to get Diabties by not drinking.

 

What's happned to Hydrogen by the way? Part of selling London for the 2012 Olympics was a trip on a Hydrogen Powered bus. There were two at First Group up North London, great things went a like a rocket very reliable drivers and passengers liked them. Problem was, they were so quiet, people didn't know they were coming. I've bene told one company has been told stop using hybrid buses in one area as because they make no noise moving off people are walking under them. . Unexpected consequences.

Isn't the fact that Hydrogen and electric vehicles are quiet and people get run over a lot a bonus? after all the elephant in the room on pollution is really overpopulation, two birds with one stone I say haha

[Ashcollection]

What is going to become of the used (electric/hybrid) cars after the dealers stop supporting them. Will they be supportable by your local garage at reasonable cost or by self maintenance. The technology used at the moment may mean there is no longer a long term second hand market, does this mean many people will be costed out of car ownership?

 

Iain

with luck our children will be skilled on computers and high tech equipment and fix them. everything moves on, I bet most of us have no problems with fuel injection systems that our grandfathers would have no idea about.

[Mk3iain]

with luck our children will be skilled on computers and high tech equipment and fix them. everything moves on, I bet most of us have no problems with fuel injection systems that our grandfathers would have no idea about.

 

Yes, things move on and I'm sure they will be up to speed with the technology. I can't help think though that the battery packs will not last forever and will be expensive then there are the motors etc. Can't see these on the bench in a shed getting fettled. If costs come down enough maybe the local spares shop or inter web shop will stock cheap replacements, maybe. I feel that the manufacturers will want shot of the cars, vans, trucks etc at the end of their warranty and most will then be recycled. I am not sure many will pass on to second or third users.

On the bright side as Tony says alternative fuels for proper engines should be more readily available to keep our stuff on the road in a clean and healthy way that no one should find offence in. I'm sure some will though....

All food for thought.

 

Iain

[ruxy]

Can a 2.25 or 2.5 diesel be converted to a multi fuel? Just wondering if it could be done in a series 3 landy.

 

Do a search on fogging & fumigation type dual-fuel systems , propane injection (with diesel) - a local recovery fleet had these fitted abt. 12 years ago , you don't seem to hear of all this now. This recovery fleet had two older trucks that they just poured all the gallons recovered from petrol cars filled with DERV + vice versa - green disposal and ££ in the bank for them and all tax paid too , I suppose the checked the diesel colour .

 

First I heard of DERV alternatives was 40 + years ago when a local lift service fleet of Escort vans were modified to run on rape seed oil (a farmers co-operative experiment) , apparently the only problem was burnt out valves at 40,000 mile distance. Then all the diesel bangers seemed to be running on anything , normally kero + oil mix . You could smell the chip-shop veg. oil when the passed - I could never work out where they obtained it all..

[Tony B]

Isn't the fact that Hydrogen and electric vehicles are quiet and people get run over a lot a bonus? after all the elephant in the room on pollution is really overpopulation, two birds with one stone I say haha

 

You'd have the RSPCA after you for keeping the Elephant in a confined space. The local council after you after you for the pollution from said Elephant, and I don't even want to think of the Clean Air Act. :shocking:

 

That's without Social Services claiming you were frightening said Kids (Though when you have 8 year old's shouting obscenity at you, egged on by parents, you wonder what would scare the little *** and were can you get it?)