timbo Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 OK - at the risk of sounding like a bit of a H&S geek - those who served no doubt had certain key things drilled into them but for the rest of us who just have to pick it up as we go along - any top tips please ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) OK - at the risk of sounding like a bit of a H&S geek - those who served no doubt had certain key things drilled into them but for the rest of us who just have to pick it up as we go along - any top tips please ! For starters in no particular order. 1. Wear a helmet when inside AFVs, it bloody hurts if you bang your head. 2. Ensure you get somebody to guide you when reversing your AFV, and ALWAYS check behind first. 3. Always lower the decks under control and keep feet etc out of the way. 4. Always use 3 points of contact when mounting/dismounting your AFV. 5. If the engine is running only mount/dismount your AFV from the front, to ensure your driver knows your getting on/off. 6. Always wear ear defence when running up your AFV. Edited May 17, 2010 by recymech66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 make sure you lock the hatch down securely when in the open position, i had a mate commanding a saxon on a brake test with the hatch unsecured, when the driver braked the hatch pushed his head onto the armour and ripped his face off, never saw him again, poor b#stard, still it could have worse it could have been me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 9 The driver is to be well versed that he may be the owner but he drives under the command of the vehicle commander who should be competant person not a 13 year old with no experience. I have personal experience of this one, came a fraction away from flopping a CVRT on its side because I could see and appreciate things the driver could not 10. Do your first parade checks and maintenance and take them seriously, your working with a very lethal weapon if it goes pear shaped. Ever thrown a track on the high street? 11 Have a viable and fast plan for recovery. We dont go off the property without discussing this and talking with our recovery assets. my 2 cents worth R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philliphastings Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 - Don't roll your centurion into a creek, like me... Cheers Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo Posted May 18, 2010 Author Share Posted May 18, 2010 Sound advice all round... Thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadawg Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I would also add that it's worth contacting local LEO and let them know your plans. Even if moving armor on trailer, rather than driving it, there are plenty of moms in minivans that will call police because you might be a terrorist. I would not want to be pulled over like that, especially since you might not see the officer or hear them, and that will make them very twitchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleheywoodtanks Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Warning to self ! Instead of crossing your fingers and saying it'll be OK ! it always has been before ! Read notes 9, 10 and 11, commit to memory, and adhere to those rules ! Many good points raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mash Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Ensure the driver and commander know what each hand signal means, too many times I have been guided by some tw#t that would look more at home on a disco floor than in front of me. Hi-viz ensure commander is wearing this when dismounted, it does help a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZITIM Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Dont attempt, or be tempted to support yourself while driving a ferret, by placing your hand anywhere around the hatch openings. They will invariably slam shut and take your fingers off. Dont inadvertaently sit under the spent cartrige shut in an M113. When we would pile into an M113 on live fire exercises, we always pushed the new guy into that seat. Dont sleep under an armoured vehicle if your an infantryman, even in the fowlest weather. The vehicle will start up at some unexpected hour and run over you. It has happened many times. If being transported as an infantry section in an APC, dont eat the crews rations. They get very upset about it and fist will invariably fly around. When the rear ramp on an M113 closes, remove limbs, shovel handels, gun barrels or any other equipment you dont want chopped in half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Don't fart inside an armoured vehicle. It makes the other occupants VERY unhappy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Don't fart inside an armoured vehicle. It makes the other occupants VERY unhappy! That made me laugh. It can be bad enough in a car let alone in a tin box... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold_War_Collection Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 To add to a very good list. a) make sure you have liability insurance, for those in and around your Vehicles. b) If carring people, conduct a suitable "crew" briefing before anyone goes near it. Focus on safe egress, such as in case of fire. c) Clothing. As "snag free" as possible, and fire resistant ( more cotton....less poly.) d) Intercom system, at the very least between driver and CC. e) Checklists (I'm an ex-military pilot...these are hard wired to my brain) . checklists are great for all postions, regardless of your background with armor. f) Checklists again, pre start walk around and systems checks. g) if in doubt...dont. have an armor day! cheers Nick CWC Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 A working intercom system between driver and commander . The commander has 360 view around the vehicle a driver a LOT less . How long does it take to pass on a hazard warning to the driver with out one . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I have done many miles in CVRTs on the roads on my own. It does depend on which vehicle you're driving as to what visibility you have, but I think if you have to rely on a commander then perhaps you shouldn't be on the public roads with it? Good mirrors are a must. As is a backup plan for when it breaks down, because at some point it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Child Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Probably the biggest one is Read The Flipping Manual (RTFM). But remember health and safety has probably moved on a bit since it was written. Check what you can't do, but think twice about what you can. I've heard too many stories of accidents from people falling off or out, so always keep the lower half of your body (or your passengers) inside the vehicle. Similarly, always be certain of where your feet are in relation to moving turret baskets, and never put your fingers somewhere you can't see first. Another big one that's not been mentioned is hazardous substances. Be careful of radioactive materials (glow dials etc.) and asbestos (engine bay linings, pipes, etc.). If you've got a new vehicle of cold-war era, check and deal appropriately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 There's an old saying where I come from... "Take care not to run over the farmer's dog..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold_War_Collection Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 There's an old saying where I come from... "Take care not to run over the farmer's dog..." I don't even want to know.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 If it hasn't been run for a long time, is an unknown quantity, or people have been in there pressing buttons at a show, double, triple and quadruple check before starting / driving. Seen and heard of too many machines that have done something unexpected (and dangerous) on start up because a valve or a lever is stuck or because someone left a control in the wrong position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkitson Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 1. Use ground guides 2. Use ground guides 3. Use ground guides 4. Use ground guides 5. Use gr..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold_War_Collection Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 1. Use ground guides2. Use ground guides 3. Use ground guides 4. Use ground guides 5. Use gr..... YES! One if not THE most important. There was a certain Sherman that backed over a linesman truck in a town near here. Yes, they had a guide, but just the one at the front. Truck drove up on the opposite side of the Forward GG, therefore...crunch. I find that heavy armor used by the military always uses two GG's Nothing moves around here unless we have GG's, we even have a writen policy for it in our operations maunal. Nick CWC Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Don't fart inside an armoured vehicle. It makes the other occupants VERY unhappy! Accept that if you are going to live for weeks in an armoured vehicle, living off Composite Rations, it's going to stink. Dreadfully. Live with it. If it was good enough for Gemini and Apollo astronauts, it's good enough for armoured vehicle crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Accept that if you are going to live for weeks in an armoured vehicle, living off Composite Rations, it's going to stink. Dreadfully. Live with it. If it was good enough for Gemini and Apollo astronauts, it's good enough for armoured vehicle crews. Fair cop, but the last time I looked, the question was posed by someone who is in all probability, NOT going to be carrying a bunch of stinking sweating squaddies who have been out in the field for weeks on end. Yes, after a couple of days of that, a fart won't make a difference (btw, I know what it's like, I wore a uniform for 14 years), but you will have to admit that it IS a bit hard to hide a stitch ripper stinker when you're battened down. Especially if the people you're with are just joyriders. As a tongue in cheek response, astronauts on the gemini and apollo flights had their suits on all the time, apart from taking the helmet off at times I think. Bit like the wet suit effect I suppose, and I bet it still wasn't funny when the neck seal leaked what they'd just released! Best, M Edited March 13, 2015 by ltwtbarmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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