N.O.S. Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Some WW2 U.S. vehicles started out with the maker's name proudly displayed, but later this I.D. was left off. Was this a deliberate policy? For example early GMCs had a nice 'GMC' badge on the radiator, later omitted, and early Chev 1 1/2 T trucks had embossed engine side panels, later plain. What about British WW2 vehicles? For example I don't think the Matador gun tractor ever had a radiator badge, whereas the Albion gun tractor had the maker's name cast into the radiator. You can understand the desire not to waste valuable materials on unecessary enamelled badges at this time. What about maker's I.D. on post war vehicles? I don't recall seeing any I.D.s on FV series vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I seem to remember Jeep started with their name embossed on the tailgate and when it went into full production alog with Ford thay had to stop doing this as it gave them unfair advantage or something like that. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 In the case of the USA when the Ordnance Dept took over responsibility for vehicles from the Quartermaster Corps in August 1942 they issued orders to manufacturers to stop names/badges being put on vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Wasn't the script F on ford jeeps components Henrys response to not being able to mark his own vehicles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Wasn't the script F on ford jeeps components Henrys response to not being able to mark his own vehicles? So the story goes.:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 Wasn't the script F on ford jeeps components Henrys response to not being able to mark his own vehicles? That sounds likely - I always thought it was a strange thing to bother to do, putting an F on absolutely everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Got to admit I have no idea about the naming policy on British vehicles, Richard F. will probably know the answer on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Got to admit I have no idea about the naming policy on British vehicles, Richard F. will probably know the answer on this one. There did seem to be a move with British equipment to hide the details of manufacturers. Early in the war, the cast brass plates on vehicles and their bodies, had the makes name and sometimes location, on examples I have seen, all the letters bar the first one of each word, are ground off, for instance, a plate from a generator trailer, maker, Taskers of Andover Ltd, all that is now visible, "T..... o. A....... L..". On Austin lorries, with later type etched plates, only marked as "AM", ie. Austin Motor Co. Ltd. This might have been done to try and hide the location of the factories from the enemy. Saying this, Bedford had their name on the grille of all their vehicles throughout the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Some Pioneers had the Scammell cast into the coffee pot and some didn't, I am not sure but I think the later ones had no name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) <snipped> What about maker's I.D. on post war vehicles? I don't recall seeing any I.D.s on FV series vehicles. FV 620/622/623 and 624 (Stalwart) had the red "Alvis" triangle on the front swim board (when fitted......). As did the Salamander I believe (in RAF terms the Mk VI Crash Tender) Edited March 26, 2009 by ArtistsRifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Some Pioneers had the Scammell cast into the coffee pot and some didn't, I am not sure but I think the later ones had no name. Didn't they make a film about Scammell....... Horse with No Name:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Didn't they make a film about Scammell....... Horse with No Name:-D The Mechanical Horse did have the Scammell name on it..............:whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn deuce Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 As I understood it that one of the tie ins with Ford was that should a WWII Jeep suffer some bad parts / defective parts Henry didn't want to be replacing any Willy's parts so he insisted that every Ford mfg part have a Ford identification , not sure if that was just "F" marking or a Ford part number . This was important since both GPW and MB had interchangeable parts for the most part . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 What about maker's I.D. on post war vehicles? I don't recall seeing any I.D.s on FV series vehicles. Martian had a large LEYLAND badge on both bonnet sides, Explorer had SCAMMELL cast into the radiator header tank, Crusader had either LEYLAND or SCAMMELL in large letters on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) What about maker's I.D. on post war vehicles? I don't recall seeing any I.D.s on FV series vehicles. Explorers have Scammell across the rad header, Austin K9 has Austin on the Bonnet, Antars had not only Thornycroft on up to four badges, but Antar in big friendly letters across the Rad Guard...... and the famous T ( no not that one!) on the end of the half shafts. Edited March 29, 2009 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rippo Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Bedfords had them right through the war but they did change to a smaller one about 1941. Leyland hippo's have cast badges top and bottom of the radiator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Bedfords had them right through the war but they did change to a smaller one about 1941.Leyland hippo's have cast badges top and bottom of the radiator. Morris Commercial did away with badges around the middle of the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptimber Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Some Pioneers had the Scammell cast into the coffee pot and some didn't, I am not sure but I think the later ones had no name. My pioneer was built in 1945 and it has no name cast in the radiator or any Gardner name cast in the inspection plates on the engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) My pioneer was built in 1945 and it has no name cast in the radiator or any Gardner name cast in the inspection plates on the engine Lack of Gardner name is interesting - doesn't this suggest a specific policy of hiding I.D.?? Antarmike - when I made reference to the FV series, I was thinking more of the Champ / Humber / Martian ranges which were designs with a high degree of input from FVRDE rather than the primarily commercial designs like Militant, Antar, Explorer (am I right in my thinking here?). In fact thinking about it, perhaps the lack of I.D. (?) on these FVRDE based vehicles is more because they were not a pure Manufacturer design, rather than a requirement to hide the manfacturer's name maybe?? Edited March 27, 2009 by N.O.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Dodge also used a logo on its parts and bolts DP CD (Dodge Plymouth Chrysler Desoto). Finding spare bolts can be hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 (edited) Matadors didn't (generally) carry an AEC Triangle but had AEC cast into clutch inspection plate, some rear axle bollard caps etc Lower shot is the brass lubrication chart, often found screwed to the drivers door, Clearly says its an AEC Matador. Edited March 29, 2009 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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