Somebody out there knows all about this !!

[Ashcollection]

Cutting trenches across the runways and hard standings would probably been to make sure the explosive pipe charges had been removed, often fitted just in case the cold war turned hot and we had to destroy runways to prevent their use. probably not on your information, as to be honest other than conspiracy theories you haven't actually given any information yet.

[andy brown]

5 hours ago, Ashcollection said:

Cutting trenches across the runways and hard standings would probably been to make sure the explosive pipe charges had been removed, often fitted just in case the cold war turned hot and we had to destroy runways to prevent their use. probably not on your information, as to be honest other than conspiracy theories you haven't actually given any information yet.

Hi again 

One of the reasons I came to the forum was a vague chance that airing what I had might have jogged someone's memory no matter how small , but some how this seems to stick in people's craw , I'm not trying to convince anybody and yes 326 tanks is a lot to understand and I would agree that it sounds highly unlikely ,but now isn't then ,my father had been in the mob or indirectly connected to it for someone twenty seven years ,that's a long time when for the greater part as he said ( I was trained to kill people in the king's name in places I didn't know existed when I'd finished there I was sent to another place that I didn't know existed and I did the same again but I never saw the king ) you see in his world he obeyed orders he knew nothing else ..  so he was reliable got the job done and moved on , buried tanks.was another order he would not have said a word its just another order, all I had was his word that he buried them and a map on a fag packet how many how deep ,as for the cuts in the concrete well strange they should be on my co-ordinates isn't it ?

[andy brown]

On 9/15/2022 at 4:23 PM, andy brown said:

Hi again 

One of the reasons I came to the forum was a vague chance that airing what I had might have jogged someone's memory no matter how small , but some how this seems to stick in people's craw , I'm not trying to convince anybody and yes 326 tanks is a lot to understand and I would agree that it sounds highly unlikely ,but now isn't then ,my father had been in the mob or indirectly connected to it for someone twenty seven years ,that's a long time when for the greater part as he said ( I was trained to kill people in the king's name in places I didn't know existed when I'd finished there I was sent to another place that I didn't know existed and I did the same again but I never saw the king ) you see in his world he obeyed orders he knew nothing else ..  so he was reliable got the job done and moved on , buried tanks.was another order he would not have said a word its just another order, all I had was his word that he buried them and a map on a fag packet how many how deep ,as for the cuts in the concrete well strange they should be on my co-ordinates isn't it ?

Just an update ..recently decided to contact mod site management of waterbeach barracks just to show I was still around not with any great expectation of getting a reply relating to words such as burial, couple of days ago received email from same inviting me to speak to there office who would only be to glad. to bring me up to date with their construction  progress on site .. no more than I expected .as any hint relating to my question would have been an acknowledgement of my.claim ,but then how would you feel.if when selling your house someone bubblled it to prospective buyers that the property sat on the edge of a hidden sink hole ...no doubt the construction co will carry on regardless an leave this area for the mod to attend to ,in any  event this is a vast site and the burial area is not in the way in the foreseeable future so the mod can sit on their hand for some time yet.....

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[ferretfixer]

Interesting. Keep at it Buddy, you never know. One day it might yield a result?👍

[john1950]

All of the experts said a certain Roman emperor did not exist now they are having to eat their words.

[andy brown]

30 minutes ago, john1950 said:

All of the experts said a certain Roman emperor did not exist now they are having to eat their words.

Thanks for the supportive comments, it does get a bit lonely out here, it's like wandering around a well guarded bastion all on your own trying to find it's weak point when you only got one cannon ball.

[ruxy]

3 hours ago, andy brown said:

Thanks for the supportive comments, it does get a bit lonely out here, it's like wandering around a well guarded bastion all on your own trying to find it's weak point when you only got one cannon ball.

I have no intention of reading through this thread , to revise your environmental concerns.  Just wondered - have you ever used a EIR  (environmental information request)  , under the Environmental Information Regulations.  This was forced on UK by EEC and I think it is still on the statute book.   Operates similar to  FOIR  (freedom of information request).  Phrase your enquiry(s) just right and you can cause the 'authorities' some grief totally  £ f.o.c.  until they hit a search costs limit and then they will invoice before supply.

[andy brown]

On 11/25/2022 at 5:13 PM, ruxy said:

I have no intention of reading through this thread , to revise your environmental concerns.  Just wondered - have you ever used a EIR  (environmental information request)  , under the Environmental Information Regulations.  This was forced on UK by EEC and I think it is still on the statute book.   Operates similar to  FOIR  (freedom of information request).  Phrase your enquiry(s) just right and you can cause the 'authorities' some grief totally  £ f.o.c.  until they hit a search costs limit and then they will invoice before supply.

Thanks for your input ruxy , trouble is one can get sucked in when entering into.to the world of beuractic bun fights and land up with the will to live, not that I'm questioning your suggestion it's more to do with what I 'd found in an earlier attempt at a environmental tack .. few years back contacted Cambridge urban district  council environmental officer laying out what I thought to be of interest regarding a burial of this nature ,.initially they couldn't accept or get their head round what I was talking about ,so I left.it for a while ,seeing a local councillor had been or was engaged in things environmental ,, well more relating to tractors running over grass hoppers as you would expect in a rural village,once he got the thread of where this was going he clammed up and backed away ,some months later.i contacted udc environmental officer only to find that the probability of environment all damage in the midst of their village as I had proposed to them earlier they thought was not in their interest to pursue so they had decided to hand over my information to none other than the construction company urban and civic headed by my old friend the not so right honourable Phillip Hammond esquire he at the time defense minister , later found association between various council members ,udc ,and environmental dept ,ironically they as a village haven't the faintest idea of what is about to befall them ,of course the construction co.wants to keep them on side they on the other hand expect great things to come of this new town and its financial advantages ,but I know Hammond and his cohorts of accountants ,so my latest thought on the issue just to jog it along was a couple of gallon of petrol down the cuts they recently made in the aprons leave it to soak in for couple of hours light blue touch paper retire half a mile away ,soon see if anything combustible is in there .......

[andy brown]

On 11/27/2022 at 10:58 AM, andy brown said:

Thanks for your input ruxy , trouble is one can get sucked in when entering into.to the world of beuractic bun fights and land up with the will to live, not that I'm questioning your suggestion it's more to do with what I 'd found in an earlier attempt at a environmental tack .. few years back contacted Cambridge urban district  council environmental officer laying out what I thought to be of interest regarding a burial of this nature ,.initially they couldn't accept or get their head round what I was talking about ,so I left.it for a while ,seeing a local councillor had been or was engaged in things environmental ,, well more relating to tractors running over grass hoppers as you would expect in a rural village,once he got the thread of where this was going he clammed up and backed away ,some months later.i contacted udc environmental officer only to find that the probability of environment all damage in the midst of their village as I had proposed to them earlier they thought was not in their interest to pursue so they had decided to hand over my information to none other than the construction company urban and civic headed by my old friend the not so right honourable Phillip Hammond esquire he at the time defense minister , later found association between various council members ,udc ,and environmental dept ,ironically they as a village haven't the faintest idea of what is about to befall them ,of course the construction co.wants to keep them on side they on the other hand expect great things to come of this new town and its financial advantages ,but I know Hammond and his cohorts of accountants ,so my latest thought on the issue just to jog it along was a couple of gallon of petrol down the cuts they recently made in the aprons leave it to soak in for couple of hours light blue touch paper retire half a mile away ,soon see if anything combustible is in there .......

 

[andy brown]

On 11/27/2022 at 10:58 AM, andy brown said:

Thanks for your input ruxy , trouble is one can get sucked in when entering into.to the world of beuractic bun fights and land up with the will to live, not that I'm questioning your suggestion it's more to do with what I 'd found in an earlier attempt at a environmental tack .. few years back contacted Cambridge urban district  council environmental officer laying out what I thought to be of interest regarding a burial of this nature ,.initially they couldn't accept or get their head round what I was talking about ,so I left.it for a while ,seeing a local councillor had been or was engaged in things environmental ,, well more relating to tractors running over grass hoppers as you would expect in a rural village,once he got the thread of where this was going he clammed up and backed away ,some months later.i contacted udc environmental officer only to find that the probability of environment all damage in the midst of their village as I had proposed to them earlier they thought was not in their interest to pursue so they had decided to hand over my information to none other than the construction company urban and civic headed by my old friend the not so right honourable Phillip Hammond esquire he at the time defense minister , later found association between various council members ,udc ,and environmental dept ,ironically they as a village haven't the faintest idea of what is about to befall them ,of course the construction co.wants to keep them on side they on the other hand expect great things to come of this new town and its financial advantages ,but I know Hammond and his cohorts of accountants ,so my latest thought on the issue just to jog it along was a couple of gallon of petrol down the cuts they recently made in the aprons leave it to soak in for couple of hours light blue touch paper retire half a mile away ,soon see if anything combustible is in there .......

Hi it's been some time since my last visit here during which time I've mulled over whether or not to continue , in part because originally I came looking to add to what I had not necessarily to through open what my father had told me of the waterbeach issue ,I will admit that I was fore warned by a member of the forum some ten years ago that to offer up what I had would he considered.be suicidal as getting the old hands to swallow it would be seen as akin to treason and as it turned out he was right .so I figured that as.ive come this far and had not gained one iota of additional info to add to what I have then this must be virgin territory that I'm walking around with , if what I've said so far has been hard to swallow expanding on it will no doubt cause seizures but I will try to put some flesh on the bones that you can get your teeth into ,. Could be a long haul ...to be continued.......

[andy brown]

1 hour ago, andy brown said:

Hi it's been some time since my last visit here during which time I've mulled over whether or not to continue , in part because originally I came looking to add to what I had not necessarily to through open what my father had told me of the waterbeach issue ,I will admit that I was fore warned by a member of the forum some ten years ago that to offer up what I had would he considered.be suicidal as getting the old hands to swallow it would be seen as akin to treason and as it turned out he was right .so I figured that as.ive come this far and had not gained one iota of additional info to add to what I have then this must be virgin territory that I'm walking around with , if what I've said so far has been hard to swallow expanding on it will no doubt cause seizures but I will try to put some flesh on the bones that you can get your teeth into ,. Could be a long haul ...to be continued.......

[andy brown]

This high altitude pic is of us army supply depot Milton cambs which incorporates a barracks POW camp and rail head taken post ww2 ,it also held an array of armoured vehicles as follows in next pic.

[andy brown]

1 hour ago, andy brown said:

This high altitude pic is of us army supply depot Milton cambs which incorporates a barracks POW camp and rail head taken post ww2 ,it also held an array of armoured vehicles as follows in next pic.

Sorry upside down ,,this is the foreground of the first pic adjacent to the Milton high Street which runs north to south beyond the black nissan huts you might be able to make out the rough shapes of the tanks parked  Also the amount of blank spaces where tanks had recently been removed to waterbeach which is a couple of miles north ,in the very fore ground on the axis road there are a couple of what appear to be Mac transporters behind which are three tanks presumably about to be shipped to waterbeach . I was surprised to also see another example that my father had mentioned in this picture relating to a panic situation within the government of the day .....

[Le Prof]

Flipped right side up for you.

 

[Matt W]

Churchills in a US Army depot? Blank spaces - how do you know tanks were parked there? 

[andy brown]

2 hours ago, Matt W said:

Churchills in a US Army depot? Blank spaces - how do you know tanks were parked there? 

 

2 hours ago, Matt W said:

Churchills in a US Army depot? Blank spaces - how do you know tanks were parked there? 

Hardly worth answering this one !!! If you read it from the start you would have seen I said post war ........and dependent on how good your eye sight is as wether or not your going to see anything in either of the pics the buildings were auctioned off late forties site operated by reme fvrd until mid fifties ..Milton was where my father was billeted and these photos match his description of the site ...

[ruxy]

Happy New Year for 2023 ,,

[andy brown]

1 hour ago, ruxy said:

Happy New Year for 2023 ,,

Thank you ruxy , may I extend the same to you....

[andy brown]

1 minute ago, andy brown said:

Thank you ruxy , may I extend the same to you....

This may seem Ive wandered away from the direction of the burials but while Milton is in the frame I would like to elaborate on my father's description of what was there and why all of which was supported by the pics that I came across around 2016 ,yes the pics are crap but there is enough in them to be able to follow the description which had nothing to do with the waterbeach tanks parked on the site ,in the fore ground of the second pic there are the black nissan huts behind which you may be able to see left to right five light coloured blocks of vehicles and the same again on the left hand end of the nissan huts ,they are buffalo part of a build up of ordinance orchestrated by the then Labour government in expectation of a Russian invasion ,buffalo well if the Russian came it was considered that it would be via the Norfolk Suffolk coast a large area to defend ,the one advantage regarding defense was it was flat and had a lot of water so it followed that if one blew the sea locks and dykes that drained or controlled the water level of the broad then seventy percent of those two counties would be flooded the remaining thirty percent would have been above the five metre contour a level upon which many of the season villages we built  here the tanks would be buried up to the turret in as near as possible to three overlapping arcs across both counties ,hence the buffalo .

[paul connor]

I have just read through this somewhat drawn out thread, and thought I would interject.

Some of you are aware I have worked as a commercial archaeologist for many years, with a particular interest in the Wartime period. This has provided me with the opportunity to project manage and also attend as an archaeological specialist, many WW2 sites, including airfields, barracks and defence localities, both in the UK and EU.

My understanding of the thread is we are trying to locate 300+ buried armoured vehicles under a concrete pad section at a decommissioned airfield, at Waterbeach Barracks. The evidence for which is oral testimony and the mystery of the original poster being denied access to TNA (The National Archives) at Kew. Firstly, any burial of decommissioned armour would be well documented, especially at an airfield. There would be primary source evidence, although it is not as easy as heading to TNA and asking for ‘buried tanks at Waterbeach’; although I am very confident that if this was a true event it will have archive files. I shall not even elaborate on the unlikely necessity to bury valuable assets, that is quite obvious.

Now I shall add my quick personal investigation, which might add light to this subject. I telephoned an old colleague who is a senior archaeologist at Oxford Archaeology that was working on the Waterbeach Barracks project and asked a few questions. I asked for the results of MAG/RES/GPR survey of the area and unfortunately, they present no evidence for any buried, large, vehicle-like data at all. They do however have an abundance of Bronze Age and Roman archaeology, and other interesting periods, including WW2, just no tanks I am afraid.

So, not sure where you go from there? Archaeological evidence suggests otherwise.

Regards

Paul

Edited February 2, 2023 by paul connor

[andy brown]

1 hour ago, paul connor said:

I have just read through this somewhat drawn out thread, and thought I would interject.

 

Some of you are aware I have worked as a commercial archaeologist for many years, with a particular interest in the Wartime period. This has provided me with the opportunity to project manage and also attend as an archaeological specialist, many WW2 sites, including airfields, barracks and defence localities, both in the UK and EU.

 

My understanding of the thread is we are trying to locate 300+ buried armoured vehicles under a concrete pad section at a decommissioned airfield, at Waterbeach Barracks. The evidence for which is oral testimony and the mystery of the original poster being denied access to TNA (The National Archives) at Kew. Firstly, any burial of decommissioned armour would be well documented, especially at an airfield. There would be primary source evidence, although it is not as easy as heading to TNA and asking for ‘buried tanks at Waterbeach’; although I am very confident that if this was a true event it will have archive files. I shall not even elaborate on the unlikely necessity to bury valuable assets, that is quite obvious.

 

Now I shall add my quick personal investigation, which might add light to this subject. I telephoned an old colleague who is a senior archaeologist at Oxford Archaeology that was working on the Waterbeach Barracks project and asked a few questions. I asked for the results of MAG/RES/GPR survey of the area, including the area from the aerial photograph provided by the poster with ‘tanks’ annotated on the image. Unfortunately, they present no evidence for any buried, large, vehicle-like data at all. They do however have an abundance of Bronze Age and Roman archaeology, and other interesting periods, including WW2, just no tanks I am afraid.

 

So, not sure where you go from there? Archaeological evidence suggests otherwise.

Regards

Paul

Thanks for your input Paul ,you may not know where I'm going from here but more importantly I do ..

Question did your associates dig up the aprons ...don't think so do you ...cause they are not on the airfield as such they they are in the confines of the barracks ,so no flint axes there ,

Hammond spent half a live kissing babies to get where he is today and isn't going to let the likes of me upset his master plan..

He knows he has a problem with me seen by the lengths he has gone to in blocking me ...I shouldn't worry if I were you they are still there safe and sound under two thousand tons of concrete and will be until lord Hammond decides to cash his chips in ....

[paul connor]

Without going off topic, the initial survey was for the whole site, not just the barracks. So, yes, your concrete pads were included in the whole survey plan to gain a wider understanding of the site history and phasing for future development.

I am not sure what the "no flint axes there" comment suggests, other than a lack of understanding for archaeological practices - it isn't just blind excavation and searching for prehistorical artefacts by digging random holes.

Edited February 2, 2023 by paul connor

[Matt W]

Well done Paul, at last some proper answers! Don't forget the Vehicle Record cards at the Tank Museum, none of which i checked showed being buried as a disposal option!

The invasion of the UK is a new one. If the Government was that concerned why were all the new Centurions being shipped straight to BAOR?

 

[paul connor]

No vehicle is struck off census without documentation.

 

Edited February 2, 2023 by paul connor

[andy brown]

1 hour ago, paul connor said:

No vehicle is struck off census without documentation.

 

Well it just shows what a good job my father did in carrying out a now you see it to now you don't scam ,picked the right man didn't they .....but remember this the total number was 1400 units ...as for Russian invasion not very well red are we ..