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  1. These pictures of what appears to be some sort of aggregate I recovered from the common around 2012, around the time of finding the landmine strikers ,for some ten years prior to this I would walk the dog out on the common a couple of times a week in the area close to the tank factory ( Burma road) as our workshop was down the road in lyne the dog a cross staff Pitbull was our security guard being close by to a number of traveller sites we suffered a number of costly nocturnal visits ,the dog whilst considered a member of the family was the right tool for the job hence the common which kept him out of contact with people and inquisitive dogs as his version of playfulness was likely to get me in trouble.At that time to me the common was just where I took the dog not paying that much attention to the place ,but with regular visits just as with anywhere things become familiar ,and one thing that had done so we're the strange "what looked like strange upturned dinner plates " roughly five or six foot across quite a number lay hidden in the brush but on one stretch of path one would walk across three that lay in line , they had an almost marble appearance and when damp had no coefficient of friction if stepped on , 2012 now out there doing a bit of metal detecting couple of months passed before I realised the dinner plates were missing not that it stood as important at the time ,probably a year later I was detecting in the corner next to the railway line under some pine trees and would brush away the needles with my foot when I uncovered a piece of dinner plate ie as the pics....,next time I visited the heath manager I asked him about the missing dinner plates ,answer ..probably crushed by the tractor at some time,...well didn't swallow that as I had not seen any evidence of the remains, did though mention that I had found some large pieces over by the railway , week later back in same area it looked like the whole place had seen a buck rake recently,not a slither of what I had seen couple weeks before was left . What was so important about the dinner plates ? Just to see the reaction I mentioned to one of the ground staff I met out on the common had they seen any of the material I described and showed them the lump I had from the fir trees ,four days later got call from persons unknown would I mind returning the stone , why? We might need it for display purposes !!!! Said you already have three ton of it ..line goes dead....
  2. Although it was not my intention to feature the previous pics of asbestos and oil , as it did not I thought fit in the general scheme of things ,only included as a response to the previous post, but having done so should it be met with disbelief that the pics are of chobham common I thought it best to identify the whereabouts of both ,the asbestos is part of the material from the installation near to the Windsor road and several hundred yards south of the Victoria memorial ,most of the material appears to have been bulldozed north down a bank into a hollow adjacent to the Windsor road car park ,the oil covers a area South west of ship hill or north of the Victoria memorial ,here I had found foundations of buildings in what I took to be a compound as there are the remains of the pre war pebble dash lampposts along with a great deal of buried pipework some of which traces back to the Windsor road ,at a guess some sort of pumping station ..
  3. I am inclined to agree with you , conspiracy seemed to have got attached way back in early waterbeach but then thats what it was ,certain parties conspired to hide for whatever reason 326 tanks , an issue that many found hard to swallow ,so from then on the rule of the day was Conspiracy .......but I wouldn't loose sleep over it due to the fact that like waterbeach the story isn't over yet.... As for Stoke park well there wasn't much that that people didn't know about the place after ww2 ,unlike chobham common where they are still in denial that the army was out there ( they being the local authorities ) Doubt very much if the children of Stoke park get much opportunity to play with Asbestos ,or paddle in oil filled ditches ,but they haven't got an International Nature reserve .
  4. Ok drip feeding , that maybe how you see it from the outside but it rather depends on one's circumstances ,I do not have a computer nor do I have broad band ,I use a bog standard phone ,that has its limitations ,because when you find yourself over eighty after half an hour your looking at three screens . As for conspiracy well your the one that keeps throughing this up ,and as I'm not finished yet let's see if there is a punch line .before you jump to conclusions . Waterbeach recieved the same treatment and yes if I were a professional archivist i would no doubt tread the line that you expect to be fitting for the forum ,but I'm not , As for the common it's been bulldozed flat ,replanted ,re invented , and manicured into a presentable package suitable for the twenty first century ,I've known it for 65years and seen it slowly disappear and wrongly it would seem try to highlight a few days in the countries history that some would have me forget...... conspiracy .....V.....money......
  5. I really don't want to argue with anyone , but should point out that if you go back to the first thread on chobham on the 24 / 9/ 21 you will see the full front cover of a booklet I published dated in the corner seven years ago which included my pretty pictures one of which depicts the tanks on tank hill ,seven years later you take me to task on evidence ,and in the same breath admit to the world that you knew of the tanks ( seeing them from staple hill ) to say nothing of the Luftwaffe pics showing the whereabouts of the concrete foundations of the pods ,yes my pretty pictures may not have captured your imagination that said you appear to be digging a hole for your self .I will certainly stand aside should a more exacting suggestion be put forward on anything regarding the common that I may have promoted .
  6. I suppose I better contact the US archives and inform them that the Luftwaffe aerial pics they have they should skip....
  7. If you go back on this thread to 30. June there is one of my pretty pictures of the tanks on tank hill,. I recall the pond being dredged but didn't hear what they pulled out . What happened to the tanks ,I recall going past mid seventies they were there but I could see the tops of two I think JCB,s down in the dip at the bottom of the hill ,I know they resculptured the side of the hill for a footpath but didnt know if they buried the tanks at that time ....but it was about that time they disappeared ...what do you know about the bunker that was built just opposite the longcross road car park ,the ground backs on to the little housing estate with its access road in longcross road .I delivered some rebar to the site when I was doing a bit of casual for a firm ,had to unload on the road ,they were pouring concrete into that place for 18 months .did ask at gorse lane office ,but they just blanked me in 2014 ......
  8. I'm amazed ...if you look carefully at any of my pretty pictures you will see that they have the co_ ordinates printed on them also dated and signed ,no evidence sorry old chap what do you want me to do ? Rebuild the structures to their original state , alternatively you could go to the common and use the co_ordinates ,I assure you that they are just as I left them ,per haps a little overgrown ,when I first when to the common about 56 I went with a couple of mates cause they were holding a sale day up there ,now every road those days had booms with barbed wire on staple hill would have it's red flag flying ,we watched as dingo,Daimler scout cars .bren gun carriers big old Austin gantry six wheelers and a variety of other vehicles rumbled around the common ,staples hill road had a great marquee and in front a twenty foot high staging ,up on the staging were what looked like a gathering of cinema commissionaires with more gold braid and colour of uniform than you could wave a stick at ..sorry didn't bring the evidence out with me ...but I did run faster than the porky military police sargent.....it's all out there if you go and look ....
  9. These two pi's are the before and after of what I call the admin, block , some sixty years apart ,I am standing with my back to the entrance to the pods opposite what was an area devoid most plant life the admin, block stood in place of the trees on the left ,again this was a building the authorities new nothing about and I had a hard job convincing them of its existence and it's connection with the pods ,wasn't until I gave them a demonstration physically by GPR tracing the services from the road to the foundations and back across the road to the listening room pit did they accept grudgingly that I was right ,the whole of this patch has been left to grow in an unkept fashion unlike their fastidious conviction at maintaining pathways well away from the it didn't happen bits I've uncovered .not that it's war or mod related but to the right of the gate is staple hill or the clump upon which stood five tall pine trees these could be seen in the distance from any quarter of the common and were the trade mark of the common for many years , between the clump and the road was a open area some 150 yards long and 30 yards deep where two ice cream vans would park of a weekend this being a local beauty spot ..some even parked on the opposite side of the road in the hight of summer ,sometime early sixties council decided to deny access to this parking area by digging a trench between the road and the parking area ,what happened next seems to be a mystery to the Surrey council and local residents alike but to me it was a dot on the card that their action was not going unpunished , they woke one morning to find their pride and joy the five pine trees had been chopped down ...it didn't occur to them obviously that ice cream vendors who could no long trade there might be a little upset or that they where Italian ...touch of the godfather...
  10. In 1959 I drove my ford e83w van from one side of the common to the other ....at night for a bet ....I look at the place now and think I wouldn't like to try it In a 4x4...
  11. Due to popular demand I am going to swerve from the path I was on to something that I would have reached some time later , some time around mid; 2014 I was approach by the manager of the common maintainance team who told me that they had recently placed an ad; in the local paper asking if any one had knowledge of a concrete structure that they had at that time recently discovered, it appeared as three box shapes minus one end ,concrete approx three ft X three ft square each box approx; sixteen ft long with the front having the same concrete dimensions and a length approx ten foot this hidden from view by the accumulation of sixty years of vegetation debris ,as yet nobody had come forward with an answer and they themselves had deduced that it or they were foundations for AA guns, would I mind looking at the to see what I thought These lay opposite staples hill or the clump as it was then known on the other side of the road and some thirty yards out on the common and approx eighty yards west of the clump ,if by using the second black German map or pic; you will see a road running diagonally across and down ,from the to right moving down along that road you will come to a dark boat shape ,continue just passed it will be a white smudgy area on the road ,now go directly down and should see what appears to be four white inter connected horse shoes. . Now you might have thought that Chobham museum would have been able to through light on this ,,,,,no forgot army wasn't there ,mind you shop keepers didn't do bad out of them not being there ,,, Anyway went up and walked around them and found that there was no road to them ,to far out on the common to lump shells across from the road and to close together to mount AA guns on ,it appeared that each had a slightly different orientation to the other not much maybe three or four degrees along with an extremely good panaramic view south ,south east across the countryside,mmmmmm .just before radar I thought .
  12. In an effort to put some flesh on the bones of the existence and use of the camp and common in WW2 ,I came across a fact sheet from Regimental museum of the Royal Welch 15th Battalion TA, this relates to their part in training at a number of places including Aldershot and Sunningdale (Chobham common )the latter being only a mile from Sunningdale station, in march 1941 the battalion traveled from here on many occasions to the south downs, here they formed a beach defense task. Another reference came by way of Rowlands and Gill and the north east 1939 - 1945 The Home Guard ,wherein it relates to the 202nd home guard which was just a cover for a nucleus of highly trained men in fact resistance fighters ,officially known as Auxillary units ,from an Auxillary unit four miles from Roland's Gill north of Beamish a gentleman the colliery engineer one Joe Harker recalled that when he was first recruited he had to go to Sunningdale for an initial briefing ,when he arrived he was surprised to see among the other recruits three me that he had shared his compartment with all the way from Newcastle...members of the Auxillary brigade were highly trained in concealment ,sabotage and killing and carried the most sophisticated equipment available.....
  13. On one occasion whilst poking about on the common I was approached by a couple of the common maintainance team lads in their pick up truck saying that they had found something and could I identify it ? They dragged a chain from the back of the truck which even in its corroded state didn't take much to figure out what it was made up for the greater part of dog bone shaped links each about four inches long the type of chain that was and is used on heavy conveyor systems such as you find used in gravel extraction plant , although this had seen a better day having lost many of the links which had been replaced by bending three eighth re bar into the shape of a large paper clip and inserting it into or between the dog bones as required then tack welding the two adjoining ends of the paper clip together there were four or five such repairs in the chain which was approx five foot long one interesting addition was at one end of the chain ,a four pound square weight whilst it was very damaged the letters GPO could be made out cast into one side ,what we had here was a flail chain but not WD stock , having detected chain myself in various places i mentioned this to the lads although I had at the time not dug them up as with chain generally is easy to determine what it is without digging it up , I pointed out where one lay nearby and we parted company ,some weeks later when in the same area I noticed the the chain I had refered to the lads had gone ,,later I found that this one lay outside the maintainance office along with a couple of others ,so it would appear I was tolerated providing I had a use .. anyway these chains were not kosher rather home made which did fit in with the DIY tanks ,this in turn answered another question ,why was everything I found ,fragments of, which took me back to an area where I had recovered a lot of thin fragments of cast iron as if old cast iron fireplaces had been smashed up ,amongst this collection was fragments of White China which at the time I took to be urinals or basins ,then I found another site some eighty yards away with identical materials including the China ,the cast iron I likened to the smoke generator design I remember .
  14. From Dunkirk on with battle Britain raging it would be a brave or foolhardy man that could second guess what the enemy would do next ,they really didn't have any option and definitely no options to squander ,this must have been a moment of utter termoill with many in government ready to through the towel in ,things got worse before they got better thanks to the effort of one man ,it is in this little window of time that I'm looking at Chobham common , contingency plans were needed how to be the most effective with what is to hand ,defence is a priority ,we now have one and a half million men in the recently formed home guard ,these have to fill some of the gaps in our home defense , chobham became a school to instruct groups of men probably 1500 at a time in anything from learning to drive to making a petrol bomb using a smoke generator.to aircraft recognition the list was endless as the were to become part of the vunerable points units ,although some might have had a different mission as all options were on the table....
  15. Before I continue just like to point out something that will be obvious to many well quite a few ,you would really have to been there to understand or feel the mind set of the day even though I was very young when you got on a train there were rifles leaning against the carriage corridor wall the smell of new kit bags ,boot polish ,gun oil ,brasso and cigarette smoke the corridors were packed with soldiers ,the shops were empty with queues outside with everyone clutching their ration books and a wicker shopping baskets,knowing that at any moment they might have to run to the nearest air raid shelter I remember trying to get the bolt out of my dad's 303 that was lying on the carpet ,I couldn't lift it just shunt the bolt bock and forth ,he had to check to see if I'd left a round in the chamber, this was ten days before DDay ,out on the street you could feel (what now they call vibes) the pressure on everyone's faces ,all knew there was something going on but nobody spoke ,I would sit on the door step and watch the hundreds of silver planes going out and the brown and green ones coming back some with a propeller that wasn't turning others you could see daylight through ,I was born into this and thought this was the way life was, didn't occur to me it would ever stop .......
  16. These tanks were there as.long as I can remember and Im pretty sure that they played an integral role in the early cleaning attempts at clearing the common of certain artifacts ,these had long since belonged to the military ,they weren't big more in the order of valentine's ,nither had turrets fitted rather a rough cut piece of one inch trench plate bolted down on the turret ring with what looked like a rubber gasket made of I think conveyer belt , one had odds and sods of assorted metal work welded to the frontal area some bits heavy angle some rsj stumps ,on one side above the track was a welded frame with the lower carcass of a Lister or petter engine ,the other had a sort of home made three point linkage ,well most of it ,same plate on the turret ring.,they both disappeared early seventies. All the hallmarks of a demolition firm .
  17. What I needed and looked for is a photo of the two tanks that lived on what is known as tank hill for that reason ,in the fifties and sixties when your ford pop ,or bullnose Morris was never going to make the coast anyone in this area would take the kids and release them on the common for a couple of hours ,with its line up of ice cream vans and odd hot dog vans it was job done ..the tanks were in full view from staple hill and the ice cream vans many would venture to the tanks for a snap of the kids sitting on them...so it's back to make your own ..
  18. Conspiracy yes waterbeach and chobham but not my conspiracy ,I may have agreed with you ten years ago that's before I started asking questions that got me blocked from the national archives ,when I carried on I was given a face to face warning . As for lack of evidence that's what I got when I posted waterbeach wasn't it ..not even divulging the coordinates stopped the grizzling , if you think the world is a level playing field you must have led a very sheltered life ....
  19. You are both correct they are conspiracy's which is why when I started looking I was warned off , they were conspiracy's back in the day and they are now, this reared its ugly head when I was blocked from the national archives ,if you think that the world is a level playing field you've led a very sheltered life , you may live in a democracy but it doesn't mean that there are'nt those that can't resist the temptation to abuse the system given the opportunity ,I'm lucky I don't live in Belarus ....
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