67burwood Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 No it’s a short propshaft about 2ft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzH Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Got to say, this is a great blog, I've thoroughly enjoyed following your progress so far.. Keep it going! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 Many thanks OzH, just waiting for a clutch cover to arrive and hopefully the engine and box can go back in this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 “ OMG I love this spray gun “ Purchased a new spray gun following advice from several forum members and what a difference, low pressure, easy to use and no wasted paint. Old spray gun soon to be recycled!! I wasn’t happy with the paint finish on the cab, it was a Matt finish and quite rough to touch, so I decided to flat it off and mix cellulose thinners with the synthetic paint, some of you will probably remember that I did this accidentally a couple of months ago and wasn't sure how it would react with the first coat of paint, so after letting the paint cure for a few weeks I tried a couple of testers of the cellulose mix, the finish was satin and smooth so just when I thought I was done with painting for a while I repainted the cab 😬 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 Just a quick update, engine and gearbox are back in and sitting nicely on there new mounts, NOS clutch plate arrived on Saturday, eBay bargain £30. I will paint the engine institute Now I know there are a few 4d engine experts on this forum that should be able to answer a couple of questions regarding the fuel pump and engine number Can you move the fuel pump from here to here also can anyone workout the year of manufacture from the engine number? I need to replace the front oil seal and manifold gaskets but apparently they change from 1954 on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super6 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I would say your engine is a mk 11 industrial version, post April 1957, as it has 6 fixings for rocker cover and 8 bolts to the fuel injection pump cover. Have you any casting codes (letters/numbers) on the other(near) side towards the front below exhaust manifold and above the dynamo? The tractor version of engine does not have the fuel pump mounted on the injection pump. A Ford Industrial Products dealer should be able to help you with regards year/age of engine. 6 cylinder versions had the injection pump driven by a short shaft, I wouldn't know whether that would be feasible or not. I should imagine getting parts for that would prove to be difficult, but not necessarily impossible as they are a popular engines for repowering Majors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 Does this help? The only reason I would like to move the fuel pump is because it’s very close to where the engine cover will go and it would make life easier if it was moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, super6 said: The tractor version of engine does not have the fuel pump mounted on the injection pump. I notice the block has the letters E1ADDN cast in, that was the code for Fordson Major. Whether that block was also used in commercial vehicles as well I don't know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 This website has a lot of info on the 4D engine, https://everythingaboutboats.org/ford-industrial-power-uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 Thanks for the info, anything that makes finding parts easier is appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero-Five-Two Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 10 hours ago, 67burwood said: Does this help? The only reason I would like to move the fuel pump is because it’s very close to where the engine cover will go and it would make life easier if it was moved. Could you do away with it altogether, and fit an electric pump in a more convenient location 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Assuming your camshaft has the pump cam on it, and I am sure it would have, then you can buy a pattern part pump from Agriline ( Fordson Major) for about 30 quid. You cannot use your existing pump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Have you removed the cover plate on the block to see if it has a pump drive cam lobe behind? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Zero-Five-Two said: Could you do away with it altogether, and fit an electric pump in a more convenient location I have considered an electric pump but thought I would stay mechanical if I could. 8 hours ago, john1950 said: Have you removed the cover plate on the block to see if it has a pump drive cam lobe behind? Haven’t removed it yet, I am planning on tackling that job at the weekend, I just wanted the opinion of a few experts first and wanted to confirm what parts needed to be ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super6 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) On 7/13/2020 at 8:31 PM, 67burwood said: Can you move the fuel pump to here That is were the tractor engines fuel pump is mounted, so I would say yes. Camshaft should be the same on all 4 cylinder mk 11 engines, according to my source, Vintage Tractor Special No. 10 Fordson New Major E1A 1951-64 The 8 bolt injection pump was introduced in december 1953 and not 1957 as I erroneously mentioned, my mistake, sorry. Are your casting marks F29F? I make this to be May 29 1961 but stand to be corrected Edited July 15, 2020 by super6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 I’ve just cleaned it with a wire brush and yes it F29F So just to confirm it’s a 1961 , possibly industrial use, but if I look for parts I could quote Fordson Major to make life easier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super6 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 21 hours ago, 67burwood said: I’ve just cleaned it with a wire brush and yes it F29F. So just to confirm it’s a 1961 , possibly industrial use, but if I look for parts I could quote Fordson Major to make life easier? Yes, I think it is an industrial or truck engine of 1961 vintage. Your fuel injection pump was not used on the Fordson Major, the tractor fuel lift pump was mounted directly to the block where your blank plate is attached. I do not know how interchangeable the tractor and industrial/truck engine parts are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, super6 said: Yes, I think it is an industrial or truck engine of 1961 vintage. Your fuel injection pump was not used on the Fordson Major, the tractor fuel lift pump was mounted directly to the block where your blank plate is attached. I do not know how interchangeable the tractor and industrial/truck engine parts are. Many thanks for all your help, I’ve managed to order front crank oil seal, manifold gaskets and fuel filter, oil filter is still a mystery as it’s much shorter that all the ones listed, there also appears to be 3 different fuel lift pumps, not entirely sure what the main differences are apart from glass sediment bowls, I will remove the blanking plate at the weekend and phone the tractor spares to see what the difference is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) “ it’s all a bit backwards “ So I decided to start on the rear body, why!! I hear you ask, well it seamed to make sense to complete some jobs before the lower cab went back on, easier to access and less chance of damaging the cab etc... Plus I need the space, it would be a lot easier not to fit the lower cab just yet but it’s now in the way. First up cut all the coach bolts holding the rotten timber ( there’s a lot of them ) second carry out a few welding repairs that had previously been bodged I am assuming that this is the iron works who produced the angle hammered and cup wire brushed finally coat of paint. attention now turned back to the engine, new manifold gaskets fitted and new front crank oil seal, I also removed the blanking plate on the block to check if a fuel pump could be fitted Note to self, don’t put your finger in a hole where it’s not meant to be !! no rude comments please!! I am referring to trapping it between the crank and camshaft 🤨 but I can confirm there is a lobe for the fuel pump🎉 just looking at the expanse of space ( you could fit a jeep in there ) 🤔 Edited July 19, 2020 by 67burwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 No harm in doing it while the sun is shining aswel! I generally work on various aspects when doing a restoration, I have found in the past that getting stuck on something for months can sap the enthusiasm out of you. Mixing it up and working on different jobs keeps you focused and the project moving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 I agree, you definitely need a bit of variety or it can become stale and feel like effort rather than enjoyment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I've hit that on a project we have here. We bought it with the engine fully stripped but not labelled and with some bits missing. We have spent so much time trying yo solve the jigsaw that we've lost a bit of interest. This week I simply havent touched the engine but started sorting what panels etc I can still use for patterns and which I can take to work to fabricate. We all need some variety to keep it interesting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinT Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 This is the 1/35th scale ICM Fordson WOT 6, the vehicle machinery is the Fordson X Type Machinery update set, the tools are Aber and MiniArt, the figures are from Bronco and Tamiya and the dio background is by MiniArt.CheersKevin 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Thanks Kevin the detail is fantastic, it may take awhile for mine to look like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinT Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, 67burwood said: Thanks Kevin the detail is fantastic, it may take awhile for mine to look like that. Thanks for your kind words. It was your build that inspired me to complete the kit, I think the only thing that is missing is a couple of round mirrors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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