paulob1 Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 yep got diggers dumpers, workers and all sorts ready to go...its exciting but its far from agreed yet and I suspect we will be going to appeal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 'Appeal'?.....Evan though the FOR Support. Overwhelms the 'Objections'?..... Do you think that you might be 'Discriminated' against?...……(They dont Like THAT Word!...…) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 it doesn't seem to work like that sadly, overwhelming support for it does not mean a thing...it all depends upon the merits of the proposal I cannot see why it would fail as we have policy on side and much more but these planners are a strange bunch and don't really give the true reasons. my experience is that they are generally decent people but this one is particularly anti my good self and has refused everything i have asked for, he left for a few months and all my applications went through...his coming back is not good news, but he has approved the barn rebuilding, apparently reluctantly, reasons he doesn't like the design...its not his barn its mine...but we think he knows at appeal he would lose so he has let it go through...he is an arrogant and ignorant (the cold war is not his era) individual that wants to be treated like he is god...he just swans up and walks onto my land, he has the right in his investigations but normally people say they are coming, common courtesy, not this guy he just strolls up and away he goes...its difficult but I will likely be going to appeal if he refuses. I cannot see why they would refuse, especially if they give them the caravan parking next door...its very emotional stuff.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I would say you have a case there Paul. You said it yourself, proven when He was away, that things get done properly. You could perhaps ask for another Planner, as you feel discriminated against. & His attitude is a conflict of interest....An appointment with His Boss, & Cite everything you have stated above. & there is a 'Trail' of the Man not doing His job in an unbiased Fashion. When He is under investigation, He might change his 'Attitude' if his job is at risk perhaps?....Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 Its another fight I really don't want to have...I just want to bring my museum to the world...museums are closing all over the place, no money coming in, I am investing a lot of money into this museum and all I get is trouble...the only way to have a museum is to own the land own the artefacts. I will not owe anyone anything...that means even if no one comes to the museum it will stay alive...I am sure people will come but it doesn't need millions to survive.. I am not trying to build houses and line my pocket, I am not trying to turn it into a business park and line my pocket I am not trying to line my pocket full stop...if I did I would sell all my stuff and line my pocket and get on with life...I am not doing that...i am investing in something for the people...at times it seems like I am wasting my time... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 He probably wants you to cross his palm with some notes, it's not unusual with planning departments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 I am not saint but if I ever did that I would never sleep for the rest of my life.....I cannot believe such things happen, even though a 106 agreement is basically a legal form of bribery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, paulob1 said: I am not saint but if I ever did that I would never sleep for the rest of my life.....I cannot believe such things happen, even though a 106 agreement is basically a legal form of bribery... Oh believe me they do, although personally I would never sink to that level and it's not seen as bribery as the official involved handles it outside of his official role as a planning officer. He or she is paid as a consultant but I can never understand how they are not roasted for a conflict of interests. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I know that you are few miles from Bordon but reading on the Maple leaf forum http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30908 They are bemoaning the fact that there is no museum dedicated to this training area, maybe it would be worth your while having an area within your museum for this purpose. It may well attract the relatives of those who trained on this area. Just a thought, Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 Jon I tried to join that site and I seem to be in some sort of stupid loop and it wont let me in... yes it would be a great idea...could you mention to someone I am trying to log in and cannot register Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 No problem, I will give the guy a link to this page and let Hanno know that you wish to register. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenkinov Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Paul Firstly I want to say you success with your venture . The cold war is a point in the world's history that should be remembered ..I have read with interest the posts ..and see you are facing an upward battle ...can I ask if you have considered affiliating yourself with another museum . I appreciate this in itself is a challenge but it might prove an assistance if you were the cold war collection of an existing museum ? Jenkinov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 good idea, we have teamed up with the Royalsignals museum and are hoping the REME museum may support us if I can get to them at some stage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 I m off to see the handley Page Victor on monday the 9th...I am hopeful, it is ideal for the iron curtain museum and that we can win the bid..not sure of timescales as of yet but likely we need to spend a few weeks really assessing what can and cannot be removed...I am concerned about the tons of concrete in its body, there to hold it down I understand but I really don't need to be transporting a few tons of concrete if I dont have to...we may have no choice...unladen dry she weights about 40 tons...as she is I have no idea, the engines and gubbins are 10 tons and they are not there, the interior has been stripped out of must things of value I am assuming another 10 tons of equipment...so the plane is likely to be around 30 tons as is plus the concrete...of that we have no idea...very excited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 So we have had some more good news, the plane was stripped and wings off when they took it to marham, this means it has been apart at some stage and it looks like we are going to get some pictures of it apart, this will help immensely, it also looks like the plane has had sand bags placed in the hull not concrete so this too will make life a good deal easier...on this trip we will inspect the jacking points and other such structural features...if the jacking points are gone then we have our first major hurdle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowfat Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I sugest you speak to Gary Spoars https://www.facebook.com/GJD-Services-275486342562773/ They moved the VC10 for the RAF from bruniting thorps to Cosford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC312 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) I'm the guy from Bordon who was talking about some form of museum here dedicated to the Canadian and military training. I am on the Maple leaf site and could mention your problem to them. I also had the same problem signing up. Edited March 2, 2020 by BC312 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 We are close to a decision, the museum is coming to its first hurdle, the planning officer is trying to make sure I can not open the museum now or ever but we have him and he knows it. I will be able to open the museum 28 days a year, but to be honest that is not what I want, they will just be hulks sitting in the field with non of the exhibition material or videos or library or cafe or kiddy play areas, or anything that I wanted to introduce to make it a very special occasion...I am not that interested in opening a mediocre museum...I want this museum to be special...I am however looking at Florida as a possible new location, it will cost me a fortune but I can open the museum with little or no problems and not have to put up with the idiocy of a young lad who treats planning decisions as his personal right to screw people about if he doesn't like them...he is basically sitting on another application because we will not do what he wants by changing the details so he is refusing to agree it, effectively blackmailing us into accepting a reduction in site boundary so he can reduce the area I can store my goods already agreed in a previous planning application...but we are wise to his plans and we have refused so he is sitting on the application and refusing to determine it. we will have to go to appeal which will take 8 months ...it does not bode well for the museum application itself if he is going to these lengths to try and blackmail us into changing a basic planning application for a rebuilding of an existing barn...its ludicrous and there is very little anyone can do about it, the power that planners wield is immense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC312 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Who are these arseholes, name and shame, not from Penns Palace Petersfield are they. These wa***ers reduced the Heritage centre here in Bordon from a modern high tec building to one room in the old sargent mess in the old camp and we are still waiting for this to happen. Peterfield got a museum with a huge lottery grant, yet the Woolmer forest area has tons of heritage much more than Petersfield by far. Your museum would be perfect for the area. May be you should re- locate to Petersfield, they would be falling over themselves get you started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I feel your pain, two failed applications and a failed appeal to build a barn in a field that would be identical to the barn in the next field. Basically, unless you can use the magic word (which is not "abracadabra" but "agricultural"), you're stuffed. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Bloke near me built a barn to keep cattle in, he never owned or had any cattle, then he applied for a house so that he could be on site 24/7, still no cattle. Then he applied to build 4 luxury holiday chalets in some woods above his house, extended the barns so his son could dismantle 4x4's. Recently he has carved up more wood land and extended the road ways for more holiday chalets, without planning. He is one of a group of locals that belong or have close links to the community council or as I refer to them "those that can do no wrong". As one ex-councillor told me, build it first and if someone complains, then apply for retrospective permission and 99% of the time it will be granted as the council can't afford court cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 37 minutes ago, johann morris said: Bloke near me built a barn to keep cattle in, he never owned or had any cattle, then he applied for a house so that he could be on site 24/7, still no cattle. Then he applied to build 4 luxury holiday chalets in some woods above his house, extended the barns so his son could dismantle 4x4's. Recently he has carved up more wood land and extended the road ways for more holiday chalets, without planning. He is one of a group of locals that belong or have close links to the community council or as I refer to them "those that can do no wrong". As one ex-councillor told me, build it first and if someone complains, then apply for retrospective permission and 99% of the time it will be granted as the council can't afford court cases. isnt the stage at Glastonbury a cow shed and he won that case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 13 hours ago, johann morris said: Bloke near me built a barn to keep cattle in, he never owned or had any cattle, then he applied for a house so that he could be on site 24/7, still no cattle. Then he applied to build 4 luxury holiday chalets in some woods above his house, extended the barns so his son could dismantle 4x4's. Recently he has carved up more wood land and extended the road ways for more holiday chalets, without planning. He is one of a group of locals that belong or have close links to the community council or as I refer to them "those that can do no wrong". As one ex-councillor told me, build it first and if someone complains, then apply for retrospective permission and 99% of the time it will be granted as the council can't afford court cases. Unfortunately it's pillocks like that who make things worse for those of us trying to do things legally. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 its very true Andy but I do feel that if your face fits you get it if it doesn't you don't. its a complete farce and the government should change the system, there is no independent adjudication and they the idiotic kids who get into planning think they are gods...and ineffect they are when it comes to your own home, they control what you can and cant do and its on their say so,,,its ridiculous...he can simply muck me about for months, as he has before, he knows an appeal will take 8 months to complete...he is a complete time waste of space and a joke. How he sleeps at night with everyone hating him I have no idea.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I have just received an email following my comments to advise it has been refused permission, I attach the decision notice 27887_010-OFFICER_REPORT-1063788.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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