N.O.S. Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Is that the Scammell 100 tonner's trailer? Don't think so - this one looks to have a rear steering bogie as well as a front bogie, neither of which the 100 Tonner trailers had. They were rigid axle 5th wheel type trailers - must have been fun to turn!! Swan neck looks very similar, but so were several other trailer necks. I guess it is possible a 100T one was re-used in this trailer though. Thinking of it I've seen a set of surviving rear bogies for an original 100T trailer :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rog8811 Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Don't think so - I have a photo of the very same DT and trailor combo, the title states ..."100 ton trailor (BLH21) Using a forecarriage" Regards rog8811 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted May 28, 2010 Author Share Posted May 28, 2010 I have a photo of the very same DT and trailor combo, the title states ..."100 ton trailor (BLH21) Using a forecarriage" Regards rog8811 In Colin Wrights book Trucks in Britain Vol 3 Pickfords page 29 Shows the same trailer as a Crane built trailer No. T3440 and although the swan neck looks like the 100 tonners the girders look much more substantial ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
younggun Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 a link to the 100 tonner in action http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=10138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted May 28, 2010 Author Share Posted May 28, 2010 a link to the 100 tonner in action http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=10138 By eck ! You modern day heavy hauliers don't know ya born lad ! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Is that the Scammell 100 tonner's trailer? No but this is: http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=42402 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 (edited) They were rigid axle 5th wheel type trailers - must have been fun to turn!! Tony they were 4 in line steering on the 65 ton version, 4 in line non steering leading and 4 in line steering trailing on the 100 ton version. Edited May 30, 2010 by radiomike7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Tony they were 4 in line non steering on the 65 ton version, 4 in line non steering leading and 4 in line steering trailing on the 100 ton version. Strange set up Mike, never noticed before but looking at these pics it does seem that only the rearmost wheels steered, or is that chap looking at it thinking "Summat's broke there"? Surely that would cause a lot of stress and wear, or is it more complicated than that and I am missing something? The steersman must have had backache, the steering wheel could have been made a bit higher for the poor chap! http://www.britishpathe.com/ImgRetrieve.php?img=60&media_urn=53599 http://www.britishpathe.com/ImgRetrieve.php?img=65&media_urn=53599 http://www.britishpathe.com/ImgRetrieve.php?img=45&media_urn=53599 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted May 29, 2010 Author Share Posted May 29, 2010 Strange set up Mike, never noticed before but looking at these pics it does seem that only the rearmost wheels steered, or is that chap looking at it thinking "Summat's broke there"? Surely that would cause a lot of stress and wear, or is it more complicated than that and I am missing something? The steersman must have had backache, the steering wheel could have been made a bit higher for the poor chap! http://www.britishpathe.com/ImgRetrieve.php?img=60&media_urn=53599 http://www.britishpathe.com/ImgRetrieve.php?img=65&media_urn=53599 http://www.britishpathe.com/ImgRetrieve.php?img=45&media_urn=53599 Well spotted Bernard ! All that Grit has not affected those eagle eyes ! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Mike spotted it first I think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rog8811 Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 rog8811 said title states ..."100 ton trailor (BLH21) Using a forecarriage" AndyFowler said same trailer as a Crane built trailer No. T3440 the swan neck looks like the 100 tonners the girders look much more substantial ! I have to say I agree, I have just found a photo of a 100 ton chassis under construction at Teeside Bridge and Engineering co, loads more rivets showing and shallower looking girders. Just goes to show you cannot believe everything you see in print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Strange set up Mike, never noticed before but looking at these pics it does seem that only the rearmost wheels steered, or is that chap looking at it thinking "Summat's broke there"? Surely that would cause a lot of stress and wear, or is it more complicated than that and I am missing something? The steersman must have had backache, the steering wheel could have been made a bit higher It was just the trailing axle(s) that steered, making the effective wheelbase shorter. If the steersman got the angles right there would be no additional stress upon the frame, although it was possible to oversteer in order to reduce cut in. If you were a wimp you could request the larger steering wheel::-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Interesting info on the 65 and 100T trailer axles, thanks Mike. Compared to the trailers with fully swivelling bogie fore and aft, that's just about as rigid as you can get Somewhere I have a G.A. of the 100T trailer ex. 'Engineering' Magazine of the time (was I really planning to make a large scale model of it 30 years ago?? :shocked:). Good links to movies chaps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numan Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numan Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 [ATTACH=CONFIG]27959[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond 981 Posted May 29, 2010 Share Posted May 29, 2010 [ATTACH=CONFIG]27959[/ATTACH] Bit of overkill for a light recovery trailer,one pulling tractor and two pushing,braking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Graves Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Hi all. The trailer in question is T3440 which was made by Crane Trailers but in later life was used in various configerations and was nicknamed by Pickfords staff as the "abortion". This trailer is not to be confused with the 100 ton riveted trailer. It was rated as the 120 ton trailer and empty weighed 35 tons. The trailer under this weight was the 85 tonner now seen at Dorset and run by the steam guys. The trailer over this weight used by Pickfords was the 200 tonner also now at Dorset. Hope of interest, all the best Tony Graves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 A bit late to the recent exchanges, but here's another vid of the 100-tonner: http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=2929 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Graves Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 runflat, sorry if you thought my reply to trailer t3440 was late, for the last six weeks every time i click on this site it locks up my computer, tony g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond 981 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Heard a rumor over the weekend that EGG570 has been sold to collector ,restorer in the northwest,anyone confirm ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 A bit late to the recent exchanges, but here's another vid of the 100-tonner: http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=2929 The load carried has an intresting story in it's own right. http://www.ocean-liners.com/ships/imperator.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-t Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I have been reading a magazine called Trucking Down Memory Lane (Classic & Vintage Commercials), in the chapter Readers Memories (page 77) there is a photo and caption saying that the Diamond T (in photo) Something rather Special here - a Diamond T fitted with an engine formerly in a Spitfire. Also the Author said that he drove Diamond T's with Spitfire engines, why would you want to fit a DT with a Spitfire Engine? and what sort of fuel consumption would you get, & what sort of speed would this beast do?.The photo enclosed in the magazine, looks like any normal Diamond T.:drive::goodidea::readpaper::wow: If it aint bust dont touch it !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 A METEOR engine, to a Diamond T, quite reasonable. Fuel consumption, probably about 5 gallons to the mile. A MERLIN engine, I'd doubt it. It would appear this particular bit of folk *** is older than thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 why would you want to fit a DT with a Spitfire Engine? The main advantage would be the ability to drive it upside down...:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I have been reading a magazine called Trucking Down Memory Lane (Classic & Vintage Commercials), in the chapter Readers Memories (page 77) there is a photo and caption saying that the Diamond T (in photo) Something rather Special here - a Diamond T fitted with an engine formerly in a Spitfire. Also the Author said that he drove Diamond T's with Spitfire engines, why would you want to fit a DT with a Spitfire Engine? and what sort of fuel consumption would you get, & what sort of speed would this beast do?.The photo enclosed in the magazine, looks like any normal Diamond T.:drive::goodidea::readpaper::wow: If it aint bust dont touch it !!!!!! How weird is that? someone mentioned to me just a couple months ago about such a beast lurking somewhere near me. I'll do some digging and see what i can find out. Personally i think its a rediculous idea, and like Tony B says Merlin - highly doubtful, Meteor - possible but still silly. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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