hotel magnum Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 does anyone know when or if the ten year age limit for steer tyres on lorries came in, as the only thing i can find is in the autum 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I don't think that the relevant Statutory Instrument has been laid yet but I am watching out for it. When I rebuilt my Scammell Contractor I put ten new tyres on it. I now have to buy two new ones but as the size is 1200 R 24 I have no use for the old ones. Remember when you buy new one, make sure that you know the date of manufacture. You don't want ones with only eight years life left! It would be very useful for my day job to know of any problems being experienced with getting tyres with sufficient 'life' left in them. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJSB Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 It is from Feb 21, just out from DVSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotel magnum Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 you are correct i have had confirmation from the RHA as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwardle Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 According to the Gov.uk website, vehicles that are exempt from MoT testing and registered as Historic Vehicle and not used commercially will be exempt from this regulation. But as I own a Leyland Daf, I will have to buy 2 new steer tyres, if I can find any suitable ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughman Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 On the BBC Liverpool news page today. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54830060 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I might be behind the times on this, but was this legislation borne out of an incident or is it just more BS conjured up by people with no not enough to do? Thanks, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, Scammell4199 said: I might be behind the times on this, but was this legislation borne out of an incident or is it just more BS conjured up by people with no not enough to do? Thanks, Richard It was due to incidents.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54830060 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I'm surprised they have not gone a step further and banned remoulds on the front axle where there is no knowing how old the carcass is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Dear All, I am very keen on acquiring information as to what people are doing to comply with the new regulation. Does anyone have a quote for new 1500 or 1600 R 20 of either Michelin or Far East manufacture. All those with AEC militants, Foden EKA Compacts or DROPS will need new front tyres. I fear that private operators of HGVs will be the only ones to be adversely affected. On a commercially operated HGV, the tyres don't stay in service for 10 years. One operator said to me "If only we could get a tyre to last 10 years!". Reputable coach operators don't own their tyres. They have a contract with a tyre company. Only operators at the bottom of the market own their own tyres (as did the operator of the coach that crashed on the A3). Private HGV operators cover very low mileages and so our insurance costs are very low. The cost of the tyres will be far more than the cost of the insurance which, amongst other things, covers all the costs of accidents. There will be two very bad road safety effects of this new regulation. In my opinion and experience, a Michelin tyre will last indefinitely and will always be better than a Far Eastern tyre. However, because of this regulation, I am sure that many will have no choice but to remove the perfectly good Michelin tyres from the front axle and replace them with a Far Eastern one. When I rebuilt my Scammell Contractor, I fitted new tyres all round. Two of them will now have to be replaced after about 5000 miles at the most. If someone was doing the same project again, they might not fit new tyres because of the possibility, left open by the Government, that ALL the tyres might have to be less than ten years old. On the issue of remoulds, I know that this was carefully considered but I cannot remember what the arguments were! John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) Here is the response to the consultation etc. For remoulds it refers to the UNECE standards and that it would be more practical to accept the quality of remoulds and use the remanufacture date. Also for historic vehicles exemption is based on the MOT requirement and not the rolling 40 year old tax break. An interesting read.. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/banning-tyres-aged-10-years-and-older/outcome/government-response-to-the-consultation-to-ban-tyres-aged-10-years-or-older Edited November 11, 2020 by Mk3iain should be better at proof reading 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Some good points there John, as I read it a DROPS would need four front tyres and in the case of the IMM Foden they are over £3k each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, radiomike7 said: Some good points there John, as I read it a DROPS would need four front tyres and in the case of the IMM Foden they are over £3k each. That will put many vehicles off the road I suspect, and unsaleable (from now). The implementation period is 3 months from introduction as they are keen to move on this. I expect that will mean it will not be acceptable for historic vehicles to wait until next MOT but will be required within the implementation period. As this is fairly high profile roadside checks can be expected and traffic police and DVSA inspectors will be very aware. Its a hard hit ! Edited November 11, 2020 by Mk3iain should be better at proof reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Also be aware this regulation applies to a 'Minibus'. I've had two Humber Pigs that were registered as a Minibus, on my last Pig a few years ago I realised that this category was inappropriate & with time perhaps stricter rules might apply to things like seat belts or tyres. Besides I don't carry passengers & runflat tyres have high durability. When I changed the category on the V5C, I was asked to justify this change. The Humber Pig was introduced as an armoured truck for various roles with RAC, RA, RS, Infantry. The UHB makes only mention of "the passenger seat", the rear is described as the cargo compartment. I took a picture of my cargo compartment & that shown in the UHB. I stated that I had removable seating in the rear compartment that was for display purposes. These bench seats were not fixed & were not used for transporting passengers, as it would be unsafe to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwardle Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 3:12 PM, radiomike7 said: I'm surprised they have not gone a step further and banned remoulds on the front axle where there is no knowing how old the carcass is. They are banning remoulds on steer axles and not before time. My middle brother had a remould fitted to the front axle of his artic without his knowledge, this remould blew out as he was leaving a services on the M1 luckily he was still accelerating and no damage was done, it could have been a lot worse as he had a full tank of methanol as a load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 14 hours ago, johnwardle said: They are banning remoulds on steer axles and not before time. My middle brother had a remould fitted to the front axle of his artic without his knowledge, this remould blew out as he was leaving a services on the M1 luckily he was still accelerating and no damage was done, it could have been a lot worse as he had a full tank of methanol as a load. In the consultation response they are not banning remoulds on steer axles. They recommend using industry guidelines not to fit to steer axles but its only a recommendation. They feel that due to current testing standards a remould should be good for 10 years from remanufacture same as a first use tyre. At least that how I read it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Does anyone have a link to the actual SI? I can't find anything obvious. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I will try to provide a link. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Dear All, Here it is: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1178/regulation/2/made John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Thanks John! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJSB Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 11/13/2020 at 8:47 PM, attleej said: Dear All, Here it is: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1178/regulation/2/made John All, £672 for my Scammell EKA. Glad I don't have a Drops. Annoyingly, the dot code is 31 18 so already lost 2.5 years, and nothing newer available without adding significant cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryH57 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I guess the age restriction is important to many members with vehicles over 3500 kg un-laden weight and I sympathise with them if they have to buy new ones. But let's say you are questioned as to the age of your tyres; how will you prove they are under 10 years old? Do you keep all your military vehicle related receipts? You might like to start. Incidentally assuming your vehicle was under 3500 kg but you end up carrying or towing something that takes everything over 3500 kg I guess you could still be fined. Also for those of us with Historic Vehicle Status and way below the 3500 kg weight, the condition of our tyres must still be legal and if I remember from 2019 MV shows, a number I saw still had cracked side walls, so its best to start saving for replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Tyres have manufacture date codes on them. So easily checked by authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Hardly a code / cipher , most are just Month & date (don't recall seeing anything other) and that is all ETRTO (or whatever they now call themselves now, post BREXIT - I suppose we still pay lip-service) eg 0984 would be Sept. 1984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, ruxy said: Hardly a code / cipher , most are just Month & date (don't recall seeing anything other) and that is all ETRTO (or whatever they now call themselves now, post BREXIT - I suppose we still pay lip-service) eg 0984 would be Sept. 1984 No, it has been week and year for as long as I remember. There was some confusion with pre 2000 tyres which only had a single digit for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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