Zero-Five-Two Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 You've got your hands full with those. Watch out for the heat distortion if you get them too hot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Zero-Five-Two said: . Watch out for the heat distortion if you get them too hot 😩 to late !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 The wings on my Commer look very similar to this, lots of older repair sections that needed to be cut out. I have though on inspection left a few in place and like you say, where its a bit messy a nice layer of filler will sort it!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 26 minutes ago, Rootes75 said: where its a bit messy a nice layer of filler will sort it!! 🤔 I am thinking several layers of filler 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 67burwood said: 🤔 I am thinking several layers of filler 😁 I think you may surprise yourself, with a bit of time spent with the grinder and flap disk along with the dolly and panel hammer will work wonders. I thought after I'd spent weeks welding fresh air together on the Retriever wings that a fair bit of filler would be needed to make a decent finish but the reality was quite different. A word to the wise, as well as filler use a high build filler spray primer on top of your undercoat, as with all things of this nature the key to success is in the prep work . Pete Edited January 22, 2022 by Pete Ashby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Would using lead instead of filler be an option? Like this (just an example, there are many vids on this on youtube) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 5 hours ago, earlymb said: Would using lead instead of filler be an option? It’s something I’ve never done and it’s on my list of things to try but to be honest the wings are that bad I would need to up rate the front springs to cope with the extra wait 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Pete Ashby said: I think you may surprise yourself, with a bit of time spent with the grinder and flap disk along with the dolly and panel hammer will work wonders. I thought after I'd spent weeks welding fresh air together on the Retriever wings that a fair bit of filler would be needed to make a decent finish but the reality was quite different. There definitely a bit of panel beating and grinding to do, I’ve over filled the welds to allow a bit of shaping with a flap disc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) Today’s progress was good, managed to get all the repair sections fitted and seam welded, heat distortion was kept to a minimum which has made a massive difference to the finish. first 2 sections of the day tacked in. All the dots joined up. The front section was a bit more involved as the front has a curve. Final piece in place and tacked. A blind man would be pleased to see that 🙄. I reckon it’s about 50/50 new and old, should last another few years. Edited January 22, 2022 by 67burwood 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, 67burwood said: There definitely a bit of panel beating and grinding to do, I’ve over filled the welds to allow a bit of shaping with a flap disc. I just knocked the tops off the weld on the underside then left them a little proud but ground and then a flap wheeled the upper surfaces flush, doing it this way you maintain some strength in joint and it will help to prevent stress cracking when fitted. I then used my standard undercoat on the under side then gave it a good coat of semi flexible smooth under seal. This will hide the uneven welds, if you leave it to go off for several weeks it can be sprayed finished the same colour as the rest of the truck. Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroman Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 It looks good to me. My 1925 citroens wings were in the same condition, one had 4 repairs on top of each other. Every one larger than the previous one...;-) I had to do 2 weeks of welding to get it right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Citroman said: It looks good to me. My 1925 citroens wings were in the same condition, one had 4 repairs on top of each other. Every one larger than the previous one...;-) I had to do 2 weeks of welding to get it right. 2 weeks sounds about right, I reckon by the time this wing is beaten and filled it will be a weeks work and another week for the drivers side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 14 hours ago, Pete Ashby said: I just knocked the tops off the weld on the underside then left them a little proud but ground and then a flap wheeled the upper surfaces flush, doing it this way you maintain some strength in joint and it will help to prevent stress cracking when fitted. I then used my standard undercoat on the under side then gave it a good coat of semi flexible smooth under seal. This will hide the uneven welds, if you leave it to go off for several weeks it can be sprayed finished the same colour as the rest of the truck. Pete I had the same idea myself for the underside, knock the tops off the welds and coat with a flexible sealer, the underside was never going to be pretty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper 3/9 RAAC Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Great work Pete, looks damn impressive & you've done well to maintain it's shape. well done you cheers Pierre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 Had a bit of spare time this afternoon so decided to do a trial fit of the wing and step, I had my doubts on how well it would fit as there has been a lot of repairs and sections replaced on both the wing and cab, all new holes needed to be drilled and the actual position of the wing needed to be worked out, the front of the wing is a fixed point with 3 bolt holes but due to the size and flex of the wing the rear section can be pushed or pulled in and out by a good inch, bearing in mind this is not the first time the truck has had multiple repairs to the cab and over 50% is no longer original, let’s just say it took a fare amount of fettling and was threatened with a hammer on several occasions but it did eventually fit, the good thing about not having any original holes to line up is you just fit it where you want it and drill new ones. Still need to measure and drill holes for the lights Overall not a bad fit in the end. A quick lick of paint and it’ll be as good a new. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Ashby Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 That looks 'PDG' to me, I reckon that the key to a successful repair on this type of wing is to have a fairly intact outer rolled edge. As long as that is nearly all there to work away from the rest is down to a bit of skill and a lot of patience Good job !! Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I agree, I think it looks really good and has kept its shape well. Unlike my experience with classic cars, body panels on our Military vehicles don't often end up pristine and in my opinion don't have to be. I see so many MV's at shows that are restored as they would have been used, I like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Pete Ashby said: That looks 'PDG' to me, I reckon that the key to a successful repair on this type of wing is to have a fairly intact outer rolled edge. As long as that is nearly all there to work away from the rest is down to a bit of skill and a lot of patience Good job !! Pete Thanks Pete, luckily the rolled edge wasn’t to bad, there was a couple of stress fractures that have been plated behind and welded. Seamus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 A bit more progress, filled, sanded and primed. Not the straightest but at 78 it was never going to be, one down one to go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland_laddie Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, 67burwood said: Not the straightest but at 78 it was never going to be, one down one to go. Looking good, solid and ready for service. I think it has the right balance of repair to patina 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motleyholt Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Total transformation I would say, what a difference from what little you started with. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Highland_laddie said: Looking good, solid and ready for service. I think it has the right balance of repair to patina 👍 It’s got to have Patina but it’s a good job the paints not high gloss 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 It’s been a busy couple of days, while work was a bit quite I’ve had a big push to get cracked on with the front wings, now that the passenger wing is in primer it was time to start work on the drivers. The drivers wing wasn’t quite as bad as the passenger but still bad enough, first job strip the paint and see what’s what. Although there has been multiple repairs and some have rotted a couple are still in good order and I didn’t see any point in cutting them off just to weld new one on. To be continued…….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67burwood Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) Time to start cutting and welding!! funnily enough all the repairs are the same on both sides All the repairs in place, just need to join the dots and irritate the neighbours with endless grinding 🤨 The standard patch work quilt, “ you can’t polish a turd “ as they say but hopefully it’s had a bit of a buff…. Grinding complete and ready for fitting Just like the passenger side it put up a fight, the grinder came out and adjustments were made. Doesn't fit quite as well as the passenger side but it’s solid and as Highland laddie said “ it has the right balance of repair to patina “ 😂 Edited January 29, 2022 by 67burwood 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero-Five-Two Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Think you've done a fine job there, get the green paint on and they will look fine. Well done 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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