ajmac Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) In modern use a grease nipple in my experience has been used to inject grease inside a void, however the use of grease on my Ford enclosed propshaft which connects the gearbox to the Torque tube on the Loyd Carrier seemed different, how can grease lubricate a UJ when it's not in contact with it, to be in contact you would have to have kgs of the stuff to pack the entire UJ enclosure. Checking the wartime 'Table of Lubricants', grease is only used in one place, on the clutch release bearing, all other grease nipples should be used to fill with 'Hypoid 90' oil, for which I will be using EP90. Question is, how do you inject oil through a grease nipple, I have only ever used a grease gun, what does an oil gun look like? :-) On the propshaft UJs I presume I need enough oil in the prop casing to submerge the uj up to the lip of the casing so that it all gets splash fed....just the thought of it....bloody felt seals, there is going to be oil everywhere when in use! NB: When I stripped the UJ enclosure from the wreck it was full of grease, but did also smell of EP90...... Edited October 25, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 An oil gun is similar to a grease gun but uses a different nipple. There are two types I have come across, a spherical gun end that mates with a concave nipple and the opposite which mates with a convex nipple, similar to a grease nipple but it is not retained by the gun end, the injection pressure being less than a grease gun. The oil gun is operated merely by the user pushing it toward the nipple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrtcrowther Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 don't use EP90 it will attack any bronze bushes and bearing parts..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) Thanks Adrian. Don't worry there isn't a single brass item on the carrier, oh, the clutch cross shaft has brass bushes and the hand brake lever, but that's your lot. Having said all that I was under the impression that 'Hypoid 90' was indeed EP90, the EP standing for Extream Pressure as is present at the mesh point of the gears. Just did a quick search on the forum and SAE140 is a replacement for C600 which is spec'd for the Ford 4spd Gearbox. Edited October 25, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 don't use EP90 it will attack any bronze bushes and bearing parts..... I think you'll find that is only if it exceeds 150 deg C then there is a risk that some decomposition of the EP additives may occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond-t-steve Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I seem to remember from when I was a kid that Bedford TK's have an oil nipple on the steering box. My annoyed dad told me after I had been spending some time pumping grease into it...............(my dad had a haulage company) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaw Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Got the same on the jeep steering box -anyone know where to buy an oil gun c/w nipple hose etc cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoggyDriver Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I seem to remember from when I was a kid that Bedford TK's have an oil nipple on the steering box. My annoyed dad told me after I had been spending some time pumping grease into it...............(my dad had a haulage company) That's correct. There is an oil grease nipple on my MJ steering box. Never been able to top it up as I've not seen an oil gun for sale anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 That's correct. There is an oil grease nipple on my MJ steering box. Never been able to top it up as I've not seen an oil gun for sale anywhere. Some grease guns can be used for oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangie Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Agreed. I use an old cab-tilt pump from a lorry, with the oil nipple on the end of a length of 1/8 hydraulic hose. Works fine, just top it up after you use it each time! Great for trunnions on 1500 spitfires.......... :cool2: Alec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) ISTR the original "lubrication nipples" were of oil or grease type (not serving both applications) ,arguably I suppose first manufactured by ZERK - the rest being a copy of various quality. Most of the OIL guns I have come across are the Rom-Pom type that has a fitting that can not be locked on , at least you don't have to de-pressurize with a valve. Grease guns - tried a few , most are useless , Tecalemit & Wanner for me have been the best, but I would not try oil inside.. Edited October 29, 2011 by ruxy speling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 ISTR the original "lubrication nipples" were of oil or grease type (not serving both applications) ,arguably I suppose first manufactured by ZERK - the rest being a copy of various quality. Most of the OIL guns I have come across are the Rom-Pom type that has a fitting that can not be locked on , at least you don't have to de-pressurize with a valve. Grease guns - tried a few , most are useless , Tecalemit & Wanner for me have been the best, but I would not try oil inside.. In my long experience of working on MV's, there are a lot of applications where oil is inserted via nipples, notably suspension joints on Saracen, Fox armoured vehicles, some trucks have gear oil specified for spring shackles, Bedford steering boxes, etc. At workshops we had Tecalemit pumps for oil and I have used normal grease guns which were made to use oil or grease in without a problem. Nipples used on all these applications varied between slide on hex type to zerk style. The question was about what to use to insert the oil, not whether the nipple was designed for oil or grease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I have used normal grease guns which were made to use oil or grease in without a problem. Indeed the Army made no distinction between grease & oil guns as it was the same tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfire Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Clive, is there a part number to go along with that diagram? I'm having hell's delight trying to explain to the local parts shops that I need something like a grease gun, but for oil. Cheers, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 stalwart torque arms, oil not grease.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowfat Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 This is what I use http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/original-ex-british-Army-grease-gun-Military-vehicles-Landrover-/371136791676?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item56697a047c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 This is what I use http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/original-ex-british-Army-grease-gun-Military-vehicles-Landrover-/371136791676?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item56697a047c Yes, that is what I use for oiling, inside it takes a grease tin, I use it with gear oil and with or without a nipple fitting on the end depending if I am using for topping up or oiling nipples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Super things, trade name is rather corny "ANDY" Well it does come in handy For small quantities as in Driver Servicing (whatever happened to that?) the Pig CES lists: Oiler, hand, 1/2 pt, force fed by pressure, rigid spout, LV6/MT1/4930-99-942-6907 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfire Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 This is what I use http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/original-ex-british-Army-grease-gun-Military-vehicles-Landrover-/371136791676?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item56697a047c Thanks! No-one bid on it, I want it! Cheers, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Super things, trade name is rather corny "ANDY" Oi - I resemble that remark! :cheesy: Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowtracdave Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 As already said , all the Herald chassied Triumphs have oil in the trunnions . I bought an oil gun to do my Mk II Vitesse from Frost - can't remember how much it was now but it's nice and compact for the few times you need to get one out to use and didn't break the bank . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfire Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I won the "Andy" oil/grease pump and it arrived yesterday. I'll be cleaning it up and assembling it over the weekend. Would photos be of interest to anyone? Cheers, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snort Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 yes, it would be good to see how you get on with it too, I have one in the shed that I have never tried(not for sale) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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