Scammell4199 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Does anyone know of any Allis Chalmers M6 high speed tractors in existence?, its the big brother of the M4, weighing in at a respectable 36 tons and uses two of the engines used in the M4. The picture below is me with the one at the Marshall Museum in Overloon, Holland and I know of one other at the Indiana Military Museum. I have researched the subject quite a bit and can find no other survivors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 They are certainly the only two I'm aware of and I have a vague feeling they may be the same vehicle. Does Jim Osborne still have his? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 Adrian, They are definatly not the same vehicle, this photo was only taken last year and I have recently made contact with Jim Osborne who says he still has his, it is as yet unrestored but he hopes to one day display it with his 8in gun. He is sending me some photos of it in its current condition which I will post when they arrive. The one I am pictured with used to be owned by a chap called Chet Krouse, (i think i got the spelling right), before being acquired by the marshall museum. I think I have some pics of its rebuild - i'll dig them out and post some. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Does anyone know of any Allis Chalmers M6 high speed tractors in existence?, its the big brother of the M4, weighing in at a respectable 36 tons and uses two of the engines used in the M4. The picture below is me with the one at the Marshall Museum in Overloon, Holland and I know of one other at the Indiana Military Museum. I have researched the subject quite a bit and can find no other survivors. Dont know if it's any use, but there is an article on the M4 Version in the latest copy of CMV. A Guy named Jim Clark has just imported some to the UK. They need ground up restoration though! :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Dont know if it's any use, but there is an article on the M4 Version in the latest copy of CMV.A Guy named Jim Clark has just imported some to the UK. They need ground up restoration though! :cry: Jim is a member of the forum, and his HSTs are here... http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?t=11424 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Clark Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Richard are you looking for one? if so restored or unrestored? Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) Jim, Its one of my all time must have vehicles, but I think its a bit of a pipe dream at the moment, i'm up to my eye balls with the ground up restoration of my Scammell Pioneer and I have an AEC Matador waiting its turn too. I would dearly like one for restoration, I like to take on project vehicles, the restoration is where I get the most enjoyment. In addition i've also recently had to move to a much smaller premises after being kicked out of the barn I was renting on an arable estate near me because they wanted the barn for 'other uses'. You sound as though you know of several. Richard Edited March 31, 2009 by Scammell4199 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joris Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Well he has several! If only I'd be a millionaire, I'd have one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Sorry, but the pics I thought I had of the Overloon M6 being restored.......I haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted December 24, 2010 Author Share Posted December 24, 2010 Overloon M6 part way through its resto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mash Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 I have this photo of one however i cant remember the name of the museum, i am sure that it belongs to a private collection and is only on loan to the museum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 That's an M4, they are relatively common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex van de Wetering Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 I have this photo of one however i cant remember the name of the museum, i am sure that it belongs to a private collection and is only on loan to the museum. The Diekirch museum in Luxemburg maybe? Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 The Diekirch museum in Luxemburg maybe? Alex Yep looks like Diekirch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Cubed Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 So why are there only these two in existence ? surely there would be some in Europe, how many were built ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichelK Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 there are more survivors, the only problem some are rebuild I found this one at a Dutch forum about .... vehicle's (meant in the most wide sens of the word :cool2:) The picture is to large to directly show, so I use the link http://www.dennisbosman.nl/foto/reizen/canada/attracties7/080928%207107.jpg It is located at the BC Forest Discovery Centre Canada The running gear can be identified as being a M6 High Speed ad that is about all that remains of the original vehicle Michel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c101 comando Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 a yarder ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichelK Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 a yarder ? :???:??? ... realy no idea how you call such a piece of equipment However this is the complete thinghy :-D http://www.dennisbosman.nl/foto/reizen/canada/attracties7/080928%207108.jpg Michel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hummermark Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Hi, I have been looking for an M6 myself. The best I have been offered is in the USA - see pictures. He also had the Walker Bulldog based HST which I have also attached the pictures of. Unfortunately I was only sent one picture of the M6. Does anyone know if the tracks were just used on the M6? Regards, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertrack Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Waaaooooo alot of tractor on picture ! no sherman tank ? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 Hey mark, looks like you've found a couple potential goers there. Shame most of the original body work is missing, but the red one behind looks like an M6 too but i'm a bit unsure about the area in front of the diff / steering unit / final drive area, doesn't quite look right. Maybe its been chopped about. I have heard of another somewhere in the states minus bodywork, maybe this one. The yellow one in MichelK's post certainly looks like a yarder, not much of the original machine left tho. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichelK Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong, however the red one looks like it has Sherman HVSS track It could be a remodelled Sherman or M74 recovery Michel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tichenor Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Michel I believe the M6 was based on the HVSS suspension. In my opinion those are two M6 High speeds there (Sam Winers maybe) Michel (not the same;)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Herbert Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Like Richard I could not see the red High Speed Tractor behind the Yellow one in Mark's photos in post 19 as an M6. It is in fact one of four prototype T94 Cargo Tractors which were authorised in late 1956, intended as a very heavy artilery tractor, partly replacing the M8A1 or A2 shown in th other photos. Like the M8 it had a Continental flat six air cooled engine as used in the M41, M42, M75, this time a 525hp AOSI 895-3B and an Allison XTG-500-2 transmission but instead of the Walker Buldog running gear of the M8 it used the suspension and tracks from the M47 tank. The track links are interchangeable with those of HVSS Shermans but with a different centre guide. It was built by Allis Chalmers about 1957 and originaly had the single cab that is still on it, then the engine compartment and then a cargo body taking up the rear half of the length of the vehicle rather like the body in the middle of an M8A1. There was a large winch on outrigers in front of the cab, hence the depressed rectangle in the cab front. Overall length was 24' 11", width 10' 10", hight 10' 5". Weight 72000lbs with a 12000lbs load. All this from Fred Crismon's 'US Military Tracked Vehicles' and R.P.Hunnicutt's 'Bradley'. Hate to think what the fuel consumption was when towing ! Please note that the M6 used its own unique design of HVSS and track that was not interchangeable with Sherman or anything else. They fitted a set to a Sherman as an early experiment in improving its suspension but it was not strong enough and could not be fitted with dampers. The M6 track was very unusual as it had a triple sprocket, the centre one driving onto the centre connectors which also carried two guide horns as well. Hope this helps. David Edited January 10, 2011 by David Herbert Found more info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichelK Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Thanks Michel That's the reason I changed my name to MichelK :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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