rog8811 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) Not looking so pristine these days unfortunately but does still run and drive! That is beautiful! I hope it will be restored to its fairground condition. *Edit* Rethink it would look right with a standard front end and the fairground rear... well I think so anyway:D Edited April 10, 2011 by rog8811 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Batchelor Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Yes just acquired it, rear tyres are 14.00r20 road tread, will be kept in showland guise when first used by B.Cole in around 1954. Has at some stage picked up a tanktransporter hub on the rear O/S, and no doubt has received numerous other running repairs over the years. Could still be its original engine since block is cast iron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Excellent that will be another one that has been saved! Will look supurb back in it's showland guise, a real head turner, look forward to following it's progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 That is absolutely fantastic- glad it's going to be restored to Fairground condition, it'll be a showstopper when it's done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 Lovely Scammell Pioneer R100 Artillery tractor which took part in todays HCVS London to Brighton run ! Something went wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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83KB62 Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Abbey Hill, Yeovil,1st May 2011, a nice, friendly steam rally well worth a visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace1 Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Nice pictures, but that is an explorer not a pioneer.:blush: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83KB62 Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Dunno what the difference is, look the same as the previous pictures to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) Nice pictures, but that is an explorer not a pioneer.:blush: Nice picture but they are two Explorers, not Pioneers.... Dunno what the difference is, look the same as the previous pictures to me. The clue is in the driven front axle. That big differential, planetary reduction system, in place of the skinny, steering only, pioneer front axle means the Explorer's radiator has to sit a lot higher than in a Pioneer....Glazed tops on the doors are another pointer....And Air braking connections at the front of the vehicle.....And a different shaped cab and windscreens....And note difference in engine air cleaner.... And having a Gardner 6LW rather than the big petrol engine in the Explorer, meant the Pioneer could get by with a lot smaller radiator....Pioneer front winch rollers are shorter, and are not open at the top as are the Explorer version...Rear view mirrors mount on door on the Explorer and move with the door, but pioneer does not have door tops so mirrors fixed to the windscreen framing stay in place when door is opened.......Explorer front towing eye spring hinges on the right, on the pioneer it swings from the left hand side....see also different mounting points for Headlights....Explorer front mudguards fix to a tubular frame, on the Pioneer they fix to a rectangular (top hat) section sheet steel pressing....On the Pioneer the Fuel tank is exposed, on the Explorer it is enclosed in a rectangular cover.... Draw a line from the top of the front tyres to the top of the rear tyres, Explorer cab is well above this line, Pioneer cab very noticeably below it..... Edited May 11, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Bit like people calling the S3 in your avatar a Defender really :nut: They are actually very different shapes (far more different than a Defender and a S3 in fact- but the different radiators is the most obvious bit in both cases!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83KB62 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Ah well, I stand corrected, if some one wants to move the pic's thats fine by me. There were 2 at Abbey Hill, shame not 1 of each, I'd probably seen the difference myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Ah well, I stand corrected, if some one wants to move the pic's thats fine by me.There were 2 at Abbey Hill, shame not 1 of each, I'd probably seen the difference myself. I would have called it the same mate as not an expert either. I've learnt something also and that is why we love this forum. To share. To master and to Learn. Every day is a school day as they say! As trucks they are both impressive! Thanks for the sharing the pictures. Next show ye and I will now know the difference between a Pioneer and Conquerer Now I'm off to work on my 1/2 Tonne 24vFF winterised 'Jeep'...............:nut: LoL :rotfl: Happy days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott9643 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Nice picture but they are two Explorers, not Pioneers.... The clue is in the driven front axle. That big differential, planetary reduction system, in place of the skinny, steering only, pioneer front axle means the Explorer's radiator has to sit a lot higher than in a Pioneer....Glazed tops on the doors are another pointer....And Air braking connections at the front of the vehicle.....And a different shaped cab and windscreens....And note difference in engine air cleaner.... And having a Gardner 6LW rather than the big petrol engine in the Explorer, meant the Pioneer could get by with a lot smaller radiator....Pioneer front winch rollers are shorter, and are not open at the top as are the Explorer version...Rear view mirrors mount on door on the Explorer and move with the door, but pioneer does not have door tops so mirrors fixed to the windscreen framing stay in place when door is opened.......Explorer front towing eye spring hinges on the right, on the pioneer it swings from the left hand side....see also different mounting points for Headlights....Explorer front mudguards fix to a tubular frame, on the Pioneer they fix to a rectangular (top hat) section sheet steel pressing....On the Pioneer the Fuel tank is exposed, on the Explorer it is enclosed in a rectangular cover.... Draw a line from the top of the front tyres to the top of the rear tyres, Explorer cab is well above this line, Pioneer cab very noticeably below it..... http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=44893&d=1304865570 ......and hadn't the King died by the time the Explorer came into service? or are we being way too fussy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croc Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=44893&d=1304865570 ......and hadn't the King died by the time the Explorer came into service? or are we being way too fussy! No, the King did not die till 1952, after the Explorer came into service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Daymond Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 out of interest, why does the front spring with the towing eye attached, swing out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond 981 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 out of interest, why does the front spring with the towing eye attached, swing out? So you can insert handle to (wind them up) I mean to start them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 A close shave for a Scammell driver ! Something went wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Daymond Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 oops ! Sorry but that model isn't an accurate Scammell, it's going far too fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 but the steering seems just as heavy as the real thing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantters Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) Paint codes / colour! Hi all, looking to get hold of the right (ish) shade of paint to slap on the old pioneer. The old girl is in desert beige. Any ideas on what its called and where a good source of it may be found? Also, long shot I know, but does anyone have any info on Military Reg No's for this model. Mine was 15 RD 64??? Cheers Nigel Edited September 26, 2011 by Plantters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Might be worth dropping Adrian a message, I know he spent a fair amount of time making sure the colour of his Diamond T is right, although of course "right" is a very subjective thing! He's away with work this week I believe, but may get back to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edd Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I've just found a web page with two pictures of a Pioneer gun tractor being used by the German's to recover the remains of a downed mosquito. http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/raf1943/3/polglasedavid.html Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels v Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 in this gallery there are some very nice pioneers http://www.flickr.com/photos/homer----simpson/sets/72157623953358333/detail/?page=3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 in this gallery there are some very nice pioneers http://www.flickr.com/photos/homer----simpson/sets/72157623953358333/detail/?page=3 Wow what a great collection ! :shocked: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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