ruxy Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-56944032 Anybody on here involved ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty2 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Amszing condition after 75 year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughman Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 In the text it says 16 were buried. Wonder if there are plans to dig up more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hall Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 If you have access to facetube https://m.facebook.com/CrowlandBuffalos/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvinthemartian Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Some are still part of the flood defences I believe, the one dug up was one of the few that were washed out when the river breached again. May have to pop over for a gander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XS650 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 That excavation is a death trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Completely missed this post but have just seen it in the BBC, what a find after all these years! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted May 1, 2021 Author Share Posted May 1, 2021 18 hours ago, monty2 said: Amszing condition after 75 year Yes , that's what I thought - no great signs of corrosion. Lincolnshire , apparently BIGgest county in England , lots of water & canals like Holland. Possibly no oxygen down at that depth & ground drier than what you would expect ? All that 'grey' must be intact paint ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty2 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ruxy said: Yes , that's what I thought - no great signs of corrosion. Lincolnshire , apparently BIGgest county in England , lots of water & canals like Holland. Possibly no oxygen down at that depth & ground drier than what you would expect ? All that 'grey' must be intact paint ? Not so much drier but no oxyen gets to it like the vehicle from swamps in Eastern Europe Edited May 1, 2021 by monty2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hall Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Eddy8Men was looking at these a few years back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroman Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Here another Buffalo pulled out of the river Maas not far from here. https://worldwar2revisited.com/2016/01/17/buffalo-lvt-memorial/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Grundy Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 13 hours ago, XS650 said: That excavation is a death trap. No its not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hall Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I only noticed one man in the trench with what looked like a harness and rope. I actually thought to my self that someone had done a risk assessment stipulating minimum people in the trench for the minimum amount of time (or ALARP as I know it). I also noticed some shoring at the rear (bank side). I didn’t think it was a death trap but any excavation has its risks which need to be managed and I thought from the little that I’ve seen, it was done quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 i'm really pleased someone had the vision and tenacity to go after them and come out on top. the buffalo was in great condition 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 On 4/30/2021 at 9:57 PM, Chris Hall said: If you have access to facetube https://m.facebook.com/CrowlandBuffalos/ Is that the same place? Because it seems the quoted number of 16 is a little off. I count 24 that I can see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hall Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I think there were 30, 2 washed out to sea, 2 washed into the fish pits (whatever they are), 16 or so ended up in the flood defences and left and the rest I guess, went back to store. They weren’t just used as a lump to fill the gap, they were used to ferry people, tools, Earth, stone etc. around the floods and transport to the breach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) 16 “or so” makes more sense. It’s just that all reports seem to be taking the figure of 16 as the gospel truth. Sorry, the pedant in me is taking over again! Edited May 2, 2021 by ltwtbarmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 8:13 AM, XS650 said: That excavation is a death trap. Care to qualify that statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chris Hall said: I think there were 30, 2 washed out to sea, 2 washed into the fish pits (whatever they are), 16 or so ended up in the flood defences and left and the rest I guess, went back to store. They weren’t just used as a lump to fill the gap, they were used to ferry people, tools, Earth, stone etc. around the floods and transport to the breach. In fact, having access to facebook, the crowland lvt group have a copy of an old newspaper article up, which says that nearly 30 Buffalos were used. 16 were used on the first try, and after 3 were washed away, more were brought in to shore up the gap. Something which occurred to me, but were all the 30 or so used Buffalos? Could it be that 16 Buffalos were used first and then another amphibious type used, possibly “Neptunes” (see shortcut below) bringing the said total to 30 or thereabouts? The picture in the shortcut below seems to point to other types used, apart from Buffalos.https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/history/fight-survival-year-great-flood-12720587 I just went into eddy8men’s thread on the subjeft, and yes, Neptunes were also used. So, it could be that 16 Buffalo type were used, and then augmented with Neptune LVTs. Edited May 2, 2021 by ltwtbarmy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XS650 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) On 5/2/2021 at 10:06 AM, ltwtbarmy said: Care to qualify that statement? 1. No shoring to two near vertical sides. 2. Excavated material placed close by so it is surcharging sides. 3. Made up ground 4. Large body of open water within close proximity of excavation. Edited May 3, 2021 by XS650 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Grundy Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 As regards Point 4; Does that mean that no excavations should be made and the Buffalo remain where it is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XS650 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) No but it adds to the risks. Perhaps my original statement was a little blunt but I was genuinely shocked when I saw the photographs. I worked in the construction industry for many years and if a HSE Inpector saw an unsupported excavation like that he would issue a Prohibition Notice. The man in the picture above holding the ranging rod in photo above is in real danger if the ground next to him collapsed. By all means excavate the AFV's but a lot more attention should be given to shoring. Edited May 3, 2021 by XS650 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 QUOTE. Ref to HSE Inspector and issue of a Prohibition Notice . Yes , he most certainly would. -------------- A operation like this , even if the heavy plant were NOT hired in for £ reward. IMHO - it would be difficult to claim just a DIY project. I would say , that Reg. 2 was applicable . https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/1713/note/made Also the bloke in charge ? should have been competent in trench shoring procedures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Drake Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That looks like the one where I felt compelled to contact the newspaper to tell them it's NOT a tank!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 9 hours ago, XS650 said: No but it adds to the risks. Perhaps my original statement was a little blunt but I was genuinely shocked when I saw the photographs. I worked in the construction industry for many years and if a HSE Inspector saw an unsupported excavation like that he would issue a Prohibition Notice. The man in the picture above holding the ranging rod in photo above is in real danger if the ground next to him collapsed. By all means excavate the AFV's but a lot more attention should be given to shoring. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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