fesm_ndt Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) On 4/14/2021 at 8:04 AM, robin craig said: The swing from high to low during that day make me physically sick as my investment took a hit, massively. I made it through and eventually clawed my way back up. Its hard and takes a lot of time. You are lucky. Yeah I was lucky the small town looked after me. Would have been devastated to of just being a statistic. The emergency room medic was an ex para (UK). He kept me going with his banter. Putting a FC 101 on its roof would definitely be a scare as their rollbars are not significant. I didnt hear about that as I havent been in here so much since moving back to Australia. I have to admit I'm a bit over Land Rovers now, or more precisely desert trekking as I seriously thought I was a goner Edited May 2, 2021 by fesm_ndt Bad spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 7 hours ago, fesm_ndt said: No I believe they are only required on civilian registered trailers in case the hitch disconnects. Typically 2 chains but I have seen with one Talking about hitches I remember a 101 Land Rover towing a Noddy went around a tight bend and it fell over. The lesson was the hitch on the vehicle should be locked and the hitch on the trailer unlocked Thankfully you have survived and are on the road to recovery, though the psychological scars may take the longest to heal. I am sure the chains are a military requirement, the Landy and trailer are fitted for them. I think I am right in that the original Dixon Bate hitch on the Perentie is non lockable, rotation not jaws, as opposed the the UK version with a rotation lock. I replaced the same civilian (fixed) hitch that you had fitted with a DB hitch but only have a UK version with the rotation lock. I am not sure about the trailer ring if it can rotate fully but you had a fixed hitch that replaced a rotating one, but then you say that the chains had wrapped around as it rotated during the accident. Scary stuff ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Something like this - waste of time trying to consider forces/vectors , empirical evidence is known . Under certain circumstances a regular Sankey type trailer can flip a Land Rover regardless of its C of G and side-slope capability , the rule of pintle hook / draft ring - is that something must be free to rotate. Psychological scars , yes - for years / always you will probably be asking why me. I have also done 3.1/2 rolls , some of it I remember , I was 21 yrs in 1971 . Appropriately at a place called Black Hill between Stratford-on-Avon & Warwick , passenger in a VW Beetle - first time ever I had worn a seat belt. Hit at my side by a Mk. 1 Cortina , my seat was on top of the hand-brake & only 4" wide , pushed sideways across the forecourt pumps and then we started to roll , ended up across a side road on the grass verge. Only been back the once abt. 1990 , I know where we were hit and where we ended up on sideways - couldn't work it all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 On 4/14/2021 at 5:11 PM, Mk3iain said: Thankfully you have survived and are on the road to recovery, though the psychological scars may take the longest to heal. I am sure the chains are a military requirement, the Landy and trailer are fitted for them. I think I am right in that the original Dixon Bate hitch on the Perentie is non lockable, rotation not jaws, as opposed the the UK version with a rotation lock. I replaced the same civilian (fixed) hitch that you had fitted with a DB hitch but only have a UK version with the rotation lock. I am not sure about the trailer ring if it can rotate fully but you had a fixed hitch that replaced a rotating one, but then you say that the chains had wrapped around as it rotated during the accident. Scary stuff ! Both the hitch on the trailer and Perentie can rotate. I locked the NATO one on the vehicle as was taught not to allow both to be free. Another off aspect is the trailer hitch has been known to disconnect as has a big nut on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 21 hours ago, ruxy said: Something like this - waste of time trying to consider forces/vectors , empirical evidence is known . Under certain circumstances a regular Sankey type trailer can flip a Land Rover regardless of its C of G and side-slope capability , the rule of pintle hook / draft ring - is that something must be free to rotate. Psychological scars , yes - for years / always you will probably be asking why me. I have also done 3.1/2 rolls , some of it I remember , I was 21 yrs in 1971 . Appropriately at a place called Black Hill between Stratford-on-Avon & Warwick , passenger in a VW Beetle - first time ever I had worn a seat belt. Hit at my side by a Mk. 1 Cortina , my seat was on top of the hand-brake & only 4" wide , pushed sideways across the forecourt pumps and then we started to roll , ended up across a side road on the grass verge. Only been back the once abt. 1990 , I know where we were hit and where we ended up on sideways - couldn't work it all out. I am amazed I have not had nightmares as of yet.... But I expect some I suppose my biggest psychological scar at the moment is an innate fear to go overlanding again...... Which is the whole purpose behind me fixing ex mil vehicles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 23 minutes ago, fesm_ndt said: Both the hitch on the trailer and Perentie can rotate. I locked the NATO one on the vehicle as was taught not to allow both to be free. Another off aspect is the trailer hitch has been known to disconnect as has a big nut on it Hi Mike Looking at the pictures of the aftermath it looks like a fixed aftermarket hitch is fitted and you can see distortion where it has tried to twist. The NATO hitch on the Australian vehicles, certainly Perenties, does not have a locking facility by design. Take each day as it goes and give yourself some time. Best wishes Iain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 56 minutes ago, fesm_ndt said: I am amazed I have not had nightmares as of yet.... But I expect some I suppose my biggest psychological scar at the moment is an innate fear to go overlanding again...... Which is the whole purpose behind me fixing ex mil vehicles Yes, the distances are just mind-boggling , like me setting off and going to Moscow & I would never do that or in Oz. single-handed. It will be little different to 50 years ago , but it seems now with road surface "improvements". A shipping agent at Freemantle used to make an old Ford Prefect available to ship's crew. Once we went inland for approx. 200 miles just to frighten ourselves into a 180. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toner Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Hope you make a full recovery and get back to overlanding. Is the vehicle and trailer fixable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted April 18, 2021 Author Share Posted April 18, 2021 On 4/16/2021 at 8:47 AM, Toner said: Hope you make a full recovery and get back to overlanding. Is the vehicle and trailer fixable? No it was written off.... Was really nice with the big Izuzu engine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 5 hours ago, fesm_ndt said: No it was written off.... Was really nice with the big Izuzu engine Seems you did not get "first option" of the write off ? Would make a good spares source if you have another go with a Perentie rig. I suppose transport to Perth would be $ Au costly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyB Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just a thought, and I speak with no authority, but please tell us that you are being medically monitored now you are home Mike. I read that you live alone so if you experience headaches or tingly numbness in toes, don’t just have a beer and some pills like we tend to, get seen to properly. My experiences are from vehicle spills on the Tanezrouft and Hoggar routes which caused serious problems for people two and three weeks afterwards. Take care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toner Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Hope you keep well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 On 4/19/2021 at 2:08 AM, ruxy said: Seems you did not get "first option" of the write off ? Would make a good spares source if you have another go with a Perentie rig. I suppose transport to Perth would be $ Au costly ? Yep transport from there would be unthinkable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 On 4/19/2021 at 6:14 PM, TonyB said: Just a thought, and I speak with no authority, but please tell us that you are being medically monitored now you are home Mike. I read that you live alone so if you experience headaches or tingly numbness in toes, don’t just have a beer and some pills like we tend to, get seen to properly. My experiences are from vehicle spills on the Tanezrouft and Hoggar routes which caused serious problems for people two and three weeks afterwards. Take care. Mate thanks for the kind words..... It has been a devastating year thus far for various reasons. My nephew whom I was working with went down the meth addiction route, wasting 80k and losing everything else car career house and family. I bought the Perentie so I could go bush and get away. I suppose I should buck up as I have my 79 series, it's just not camo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyB Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I’m sure you are way ahead of me, but deep bruising and dehydration rings alarm bells….and that trail of debris in your picture brought back memories. I’m told that it doesn’t do to dwell on bad stuff, yet that isn’t easy either. But when you’ve got (however bashed up) a set of tools, a Landie, and a sense of humour you’ll get by. If it helps, you must know how much shed envy you’ve generated. And just to be able to drive out into the proper bush must be inspiring. I don’t know what you need for Ozzie bush travel, sounds like you have good medical service. Once in a town called Tit (there are two Tits in Algeria, this was the bigger one) a couple of mates were laid up with some bug. A nurse brought in two kidney dishes with a thermometer and what looked like a small cigar in each. Mate number one popped the thermometer in his mouth to be helpful, the nurse looked surprised and said, `Sir, we do not usually put it there. ` Then they saw she was brandishing an applicator that looked like a bicycle pump and realised where the cigars were going too. She smiled kindly and warned, `serrer n’aide pas` which I think means Clenching doesn’t help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuffen Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Australia has the best outback medical services in the World. The Royal Flying Doctor has been treating patients anywhere they can land a plane all over the bush for since 1928. It treats almost 400,000 patients a year in either clinics, or flying to Stations (very large farms) and anywhere there is need for a Doctor. The are many places you will see a sign stating the RFDS use the road as an airstrip and they have right of way. On the trailer problem, I've done a huge amount of outback travel and I wouldn't have tried the trip with a squirrelly trailer. priority one would be get the trailer sorted first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 On 4/20/2021 at 2:04 PM, fesm_ndt said: Mate thanks for the kind words..... It has been a devastating year thus far for various reasons. My nephew whom I was working with went down the meth addiction route, wasting 80k and losing everything else car career house and family. I bought the Perentie so I could go bush and get away. I suppose I should buck up as I have my 79 series, it's just not camo Yes, you have the answer there "buck up" , don't be a 'Winging Aussie' , I hope you do get full $Au recompense from Insurers , if so get back out there (east) and buy another Perentie as good or better , I doubt if getting a trailer of same quality will be so difficult , but a combi deal may be possible again. Then do the journey again = same map.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 On 4/21/2021 at 7:06 PM, TonyB said: If it helps, you must know how much shed envy you’ve generated. And just to be able to drive out into the proper bush must be inspiring. I don’t know what you need for Ozzie bush travel, sounds like you have good medical service. I was just thinking that before the incident i.e. a lot of people thought I was nuts. I've done many of these out back roads. It was a remote bit I was in but far bigger distances in WA. Tools and spares is a must 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 On 4/22/2021 at 4:49 AM, Zuffen said: On the trailer problem, I've done a huge amount of outback travel and I wouldn't have tried the trip with a squirrelly trailer. priority one would be get the trailer sorted first. Basically they are a bad design for roads...great for offroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyB Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 I’m with Ruxy on the `get another Perentie and do it again` bit. It sounds like a great vehicle and the journey is just the job for it, and it sounds as if you enjoy being out there. Do you really need a trailer? I wonder if the load shifted when you hit the dip. Spares and tools are one thing but preparation is all. Again, you’ll be way ahead of me for Oz, but corrugated tracks mash everything on long hauls, so shocks, spring bushes, and tyre pressure maintenance are a vital daily check. We were rarely on tracks so awareness of surface changes, stony sand into feche feche, can avoid a spill. I used to enjoy the way our V8 109 would sit down on its rear springs when powering on through soft stuff. You’re making me jealous. Get a mate to go with you, or a dog or something, drink plenty of electrolytes and enjoy your talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 hours ago, TonyB said: I’m with Ruxy on the `get another Perentie and do it again` bit. It sounds like a great vehicle and the journey is just the job for it, and it sounds as if you enjoy being out there. Do you really need a trailer? I wonder if the load shifted when you hit the dip. Spares and tools are one thing but preparation is all. Again, you’ll be way ahead of me for Oz, but corrugated tracks mash everything on long hauls, so shocks, spring bushes, and tyre pressure maintenance are a vital daily check. We were rarely on tracks so awareness of surface changes, stony sand into feche feche, can avoid a spill. I used to enjoy the way our V8 109 would sit down on its rear springs when powering on through soft stuff. You’re making me jealous. Get a mate to go with you, or a dog or something, drink plenty of electrolytes and enjoy your talents. Well I did see this precious on Facebook, but I'd be mad 🤔 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 There is a better Champ than that for sale in South Australia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 43 minutes ago, Richard Farrant said: There is a better Champ than that for sale in South Australia Yeah that one on Facebook is a tad rough. Was a nice one for 1500 a few weeks back. I should get my shed built first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyB Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Totally bonkers but Champs are great, I’ve done a few back axles in the past and survived. And you would need a trailer for the outback…a fuel bowser. How about this’un? Comfort from the REME. https://silodrome.com/sir-malcolm-campbell-mercury-eight-overlander/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Mike , I know it is now a few years since the Perente fleet disposal started , somebody was trying to import to UK don't know if he did. I did get a good look at the two Perente sent to Solihull I guess abt. 1994/95. What is the situation regarding purchase of another Perente in Oz to match the quality of the one you had ? Eiter direct sale or previous private owner(s) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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