Ron Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Someone posted on another forum that the OGEL registration is required again for France??? Anyone else know anything through IMPS or MVT tours for next year? See page 10 of the 2018 information form. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/open-general-export-licence-historic-military-vehicles-and-artillery-pieces--3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover nick Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) This was mentioned in the last MVT Normandy tour up date but if read the above correctly there is an exmption regarding military vehicles over 50 years old used for historical activites on page 11 paragraph 3 which seams to cover France ,Belgium, and Germany but not the Netherlands of course everything may change again when brexit finally happens Edited August 2, 2018 by landrover nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 AH yes thanks. Back to how it was then. What a load of Bollocks though!! In the beginning, I accidentally applied for a 'goods' licence instead of a 'vehicle' licence. What a palava trying to cancel it when they asked me for my yearly report😣 Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gas 44 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I believe its quite clear there is already an exemption in place that covers our vehicles going to France next year. PAGE 11 PARA 3, its VERY CLEAR I think the MVT are asking people to get an OGEL because......well just because !!!! I have asked the MVT why they believe an OGEL is now needed and they cannot give a sensible answer as to why. Because we are coming out of the EU things may change of course BUT at this stage NO ONE knows how they will change. Should we all get an MOT, Insurance GREEN card enough petrol in case the French wont sell us any, I understand that the MVT have their own tour planned BUT IF THERE ARE NEW CONCRETE RULES THEN THEY SHOULD PASS THEM ON TO ALL PAID UP MEMBERS, not just the elite few....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 Yes I agree about the countries exempted and although I'm not going with the MVT tour, I have been speaking to the MVT organizer about it. It's the gobbledygook that's confusing. For instance, it states that all licences that haven't been used within 24 months are automatically deleted from their files, so if you think you have one already. ...You probably haven't? . It also states that the licence should be presented to a UK Border Force (If requested). How do they know you are not moving on to Belgium or Holland etc. once you leave these shore? It makes me think (Like the MVT)........Best get one anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gas 44 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 On 8/27/2018 at 6:36 AM, Ron said: Yes I agree about the countries exempted and although I'm not going with the MVT tour, I have been speaking to the MVT organizer about it. It's the gobbledygook that's confusing. For instance, it states that all licences that haven't been used within 24 months are automatically deleted from their files, so if you think you have one already. ...You probably haven't? . It also states that the licence should be presented to a UK Border Force (If requested). How do they know you are not moving on to Belgium or Holland etc. once you leave these shore? It makes me think (Like the MVT)........Best get one anyway. Ron, its not only the countries, its the VEHICLES that are exempt due to age. The wording on page 11 para 3 is QUITE CLEAR vehicles over 50 years old and travelling to the mentioned countries DO NOT NEED an OGEL. That's what it says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gas 44 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Out of interest has the MVT organiser read the same paperwork ? if he has does he not understand what is written ? If i he knows something other than that for a fact, why is it not being made public to all members. In in fact they or he does know something are they keeping it to their selves so IF it goes belly up they can gloat and say "you should have travelled with the largest MV group in the world" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Gas I don't think any of your last comments apply. I'm sure to safeguard MVT members it's just a case of get a licence anyway as there is no fee involved. I expect the tour leaders would not want the embarrassment of answering questions if they had got it wrong. Especially regarding the different border rules that might apply after Brexit, which is likely before next June. As a private individual traveling to Normandy next year, I'm quite happy to ignore the whole thing, but if I was in charge of a large tour I might want to be doubly sure. I wonder why they saw fit to exempt France, Belgium and Germany and not also the Netherlands for instance?? The older than 50 historic vehicle doesn't come into play in other countries??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
79x100 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The whole thing is a farce of course, especially as no other country is remotely interested in the movement of historic vehicles within the Schengen zone. As far as I can tell, there is no scheme for the temporary importation of vehicles to the UK...and what happens if a visitor to W&P from Europe 'exports' his own vehicle permanently from the UK when he returns after a week ? In terms of 'our' motorcycles, Ron...I'd be extremely surprised if anyone could show that some old side-valve clunker had been adapted for military use. They certainly wouldn't recognise a civilian-painted example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinN Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 A friend has a Bedford MJ dated 1986 cargo truck. Ex military. Which is coming to Normandy next year. What OGEL does he need if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Only Historic Military vehicles over 50 years old are exempt from an OGEL visiting France so a 1986 MJ Will Need an Open General export licence, a UK requirment, apply online, ...French truck laws are different to UK if the MJ is a cargo truck body could mean it probably if not already fitted will need a working tachograph and required to use it to drive in France ...if its over 7.5 tons gvw it cannot travel on roads at week ends too, ...a Lot to check up on, and get everything correct especially after next years March Brexit, .. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/open-general-export-licences-ogels Edited October 15, 2018 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 EU rule states any military vehicle with no wapeans build before 1946 can be export with in the EU without paperwork. Officially you need also paperwork with military radio(parts read bolt nut etc) even if they are build before 1900 and burnd out crazy but you can end up in court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Grundy Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 With all this EU caper I am glad I ain't going........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bob Grundy said: With all this EU caper I am glad I ain't going........... It was quite different in 1944 .......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 hours ago, monty2 said: EU rule states any military vehicle with no wapeans build before 1946 can be export with in the EU without paperwork. Officially you need also paperwork with military radio(parts read bolt nut etc) even if they are build before 1900 and burnd out crazy but you can end up in court Does that mean ex mod land Rover from the 1980 will require the paper work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 yes you need officially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, monty2 said: yes you need officially Thanks, plan B for next year then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 but only if you export if you take her on holiday no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, monty2 said: but only if you export if you take her on holiday no problem Ah makes sense, will do some more digging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 But isn't the OGEL all about temporary export? ie going on holiday..... It's still a load of old bollocks to me. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, monty2 said: but only if you export if you take her on holiday no problem taking the MV on holiday is a temporary export, the OGEL is required, it is a UK requirement, Not required for travel to France, Belgium & Germany for MV's Over 50 years old.....although no one has ever been asked to show one, ...But after Brexit??? Edited October 15, 2018 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Nick Johns said: .although no one has ever been asked to show one, ...But after Brexit??? Probably all done by number plate recognition, that is how I understood it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Richard Farrant said: Probably all done by number plate recognition, that is how I understood it to be. Could be interesting, I had bird droppings on my number plate, changed 5 to 9, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Richard Farrant said: Probably all done by number plate recognition, that is how I understood it to be. doubt if the ANPR cameras are programmed to read the older style pre 1974 non reflective white on black number plates, the LEZ and Congestion charge zone ANPR cameras in London can't read them Edited October 15, 2018 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 When this nonsense first reared its silly head, we were told that anyone who requires a licence (by nature of the type and age of the vehicle as laid down by the latest rules) Must register with SPIRE for the OGEL. Once you are registered, there is no need to carry or present the licence at any port or destination. You must simply keep a log of your movements......To be presented to the authority on request........Probably sometime never!!! Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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