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  1. Good morning all, if it’s of interest I‘ve came across this photo on eBay, item number 333814538193 Happy new year all. David
  2. The roller bearings eccentrics are certainly a very favourable item my foden carries, as you say Hedd this is usually the limiting factor with the plain cast iron eccentrics other 5 ton wagons have. The roller bearings are a bit of a puzzle to me at the moment, having looked at most of the other surviving 5 ton Fodens mine seams to be the only one carrying them. Mike Wilkinson’s WD liveried one is slightly newer than mine but is on cast iron. There is nothing on the build sheet saying they were special order, or an experiment etc, and likewise there’s no comment on the build sheet about them being ordered later in its life, where as the fact that Fodens supplied the Pickering Govenors in 1937 is recorded. As the history of the wagon during preservation is well know, and the fact it spent several decades sat in a museum certainly tells us that they are a pre-preservation fitment. What’s the chances of finding a nice convenient date stamp on them somewhere...?! David
  3. Crikey! How did this show itself, whilst under restoration or in steam? Did it do much damage? I’ve heard of a couple of engines have their flywheels fall off (a Garrett near me had this happen only a few years ago, when the crank sheered next to the main bearing and the flywheel shot backwards and down the road, which must have been very “exciting” for all concerned)
  4. Thank you Hedd, that’s much appreciated. I assumed the radi and key ways would be the weak spots, but will certainly follow your advice and get the cans of die-pen out again and do the centre of the webs. Many thanks David
  5. Not at all Dave, the big press is a very gentle and controllable lump. With so much power available you can go really slow and steady, and the frame is very very rigid, so you can easily watch what’s happening and ease the load on. Dave
  6. Progressing with work on the Foden, the latest struggle has been trying to get the eccentrics off the crankshaft, they were a right bugger! I ended up using the handy 100 ton press at the farm workshops, which although we weren’t on max pressure it was wound up quite high, so at a guess 60+ ton of pressing and that shifted them! I forgot to take photos of the job in progress as I was on a mission and frankly was so pleased how it went I forgot! Unfortunatly I had to remove the ballance weights to make it fit into the press, something I didn’t really want to do, as the crank grinding firm said they could grind with them attached but in the end I had too! interestingly the crank has always been a black colour, this turned out to be 100 years of oil and dirt, once this was removed I discovered that the crank was never painted, there isn’t a single spec of any undercoat, red lead, or colour of any sort on the crank, just the machining marks, so this is how it’s going to go back! Today I’ve mainly been cleaning up the crank, and then crack tested all the radi and key ways, thankfully all is looking good with no flaws being detected, so now I have to wait until the grinders are ready which I was hoping would be this side of Christmas (that dreaded word!) but with lockdown etc coming back I fear it may roll over into next year. In the meantime I will start to work on making new eccentrics with non-knackered rollers and work continues on the cab. sorry for the lack of photos David
  7. Thank you for your comments. I intend to conserve as much of the Foden as possible wherever I can. Likewise I am trying to document what I find as and when I find things so there is a record for the future (and to remind myself when I forget what I did yesterday!)
  8. A few days off this week has meant I could do some more Foden work. Firstly I got the flywheel off the crankshaft, this now leaves the roller bearings eccentrics to get off then the crank can go for grinding, the journals aren’t in great condition so will definatly benefit from being ground. Having got the cab off and home a couple of weeks ago today I have been stripping the cab with help from a carpenter friend. The cab has certainly had major work in the past, as both the roof and rear boards are clearly not the origionals. There are more than one set of nail holes in the roof cross members, and on the rear planks I found maroon paint down behind the rear cross member, so these were clearly painted prior to being fitted. The roof cross members are Ash, and due to water getting under the roof canvas several have rotted on the ends (indeed some ends are totally missing!) the roof and rear boards of the cab are tongue and groove pine and are all reusable. The big rear cross member at the bottom of the cab is oak. The is reusable but with some attention! my aim is to conserve the cab as much as possible. We are going to scarf new pieces of wood into place rather than replace completely, to try and keep the cab as origional as possible. My jig for holding the shape of the cab together has worked well, which I am very pleased about! Something which interested me is that the mortice and tenon joints on the rear of the cab have a 1/2” bolt going up through them, with the bolt neatly recessed into a pocket (with a piece of wood plugging the hole) to pull the joint tightly in together. These proved a pain to undo, but I managed to weld a handle onto the nut, the heat helping to break the rust and then being able to hold this to stop it trying to turn and chew the wood. hope this is of interest and that the photos help explain today’s work better than my description! David
  9. Thank you for your comments. In 1937 the Foden was fitted with a set of Pickering Governors for driving a stone crusher in the quarry, so as these are on the Foden now I feel that it would be chronologically incorrect if I were to return it to its WW1 guise. After it’s life with Devon CC It was sold (in 1950) to Mr Shambrook of Devon (for £18) and then in 1962 to Paul Corin if Cornwall. During this period of ownership it was painted maroon and that is how it was when sent to America in 1966, and likewise when it returned in 1991. When it was painted maroon, thankfully (for us!) the paint work was not taken back to bare metal. And upon stripping the Maroon paintwork (whilst in the ownership of Colin Wheeler) much of the Devon CC livery was discovered. personally I have always been an admirer of “the WD Foden” (now owned by Mr Wilkinson) and saw it several times whilst in the ownership of Dennis Brandt. (Incedentally a friend who I help with his collection of Veteran Cars viewed the Foden when it was still in France and has photos of it from that period) I’ve attached a few photos which may be of interest. The first two are of it around 1950(ish) as it is minus the body, and has the Devon CC “curtains” around the cab - these were a pair of sheets which slid along a wire (visible in the photo if you look carefully) and I would imagine very welcome when working in the quarry, however some work appears to be going on, as the motion sheets are removed and not in the photos. The third photo is of it when painted Maroon and in the ownership of Toby Slingsby. This was taken at the Parham Rally in West Sussex sometime between 1995 - 2000 hope this is of interest. David
  10. this was on another forum, a chap is building a half size traction engine in the US. He made a mould and made his own rubber tyres. May be of interest / use? The relevant part is near the end of the first page. hopefully this link will work: https://tractiontalkforum.com/showthread.php?t=45771 david
  11. Thanks Dave, yeah the jig has worked out well - so far! I’m doing to have to take the side pieces off the cab so need to keep the verticals in the right places so it lines up when I come to put it on again. With the casters I could lift it onto a trailer at the farm, then when I got home rolled it into the garage, I should have used casters with brakes on them to be neater as I’ve now jacked the jig up and put onto planks of wood in the garage as it rolls around too easily! a couple of photos of the steel bracing and one of the rotted cross members which will need replacing.
  12. So, rather than being at a certain West Country steam rally with the Burrell this weekend has been spent doing some more Foden destruction! The cab is very origional, but also very rotten, with several parts plated and strengthened by the previous owner, my intention is to retain as much of the origional timber as possible and splice in new wherever possible. So yesterday saw the cab being removed and bolted onto a framework as a jig to keep all the uprights in place (the centre support isn’t shown in the photos, this was added later as I needed the cab off to fit them) the cab is now home so I can work on it in the relative luxury of the garage. Next to come out was the crank, this is in need of some serious work, the main bearing and big end journals are very scored so a regrind is required. Also the roller bearing eccentrics are life expired and will need replacing, however the first task is going to be getting the flywheel and eccentrics off the crank. With all the motion now removed I can inspect all the parts and work forward, however most parts will need work, but I have a workshop at home so most machining jobs can be done “in house” (apart from the crank grind) so I’m looking forward to getting stuck into it. Today has Been spent steam cleaning the boiler and various components, further updates to follow!
  13. Thanks Hedd, I was very lucky to pick up three of those lamps, 2 are like this one and brand new, never lit, it was a good discovery! I have a P&H self generating headlamp for the Foden (the lamp is currently under restoration). What made me wonder is the build sheet states it was supplied to WD with “Dependence fronts and tails, P&H headlight” so I assumed only the self generating to be a P&H lamp?
  14. Thank you for that. That’s me driving, the Foden was still owned by its previous owner Colin Wheeler at this time. Thank you for sharing. David
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