paulob1 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Just filled the greengoddess with water, drove around the corner and she went bang, or at least started spewing out water and oil everywhere....is there a connection between the engine and the water tank...because it has proceeded to empty the water tank through the engine...got us foxed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hall Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Im a little confused. Is it the big water tank as in for fighting fires or the engine coolant/expansion tank? I'm guessing you mean the big tank, if so, is the water pump connected directly to the engine, i.e. a seal between the 2 has gone? Seems a bit stupid to do it that way. Could it not be coincidence? I really hope its not your cylinder head that's gone and its just coincidence that their is water leaking out of the big tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcot1751 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Like Chris says your post is a little confusing, if the main pump tank is leaking was it drained completely during winter as if this isn't done the frost can do untold damage. If you mean you are losing engine coolant and it is mixing with the engine oil then again you could either have a head gasket problem or a cracked block again something that can happen over winter if not enough anti freeze is added. Try and find out which problem you have and someone on here will surely be able to advise a solution. Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) Just filled the greengoddess with water, drove around the corner and she went bang, or at least started spewing out water and oil everywhere....is there a connection between the engine and the water tank...because it has proceeded to empty the water tank through the engine...got us foxed... If the tank valve is open the tank can drain into the pump volute, this in turn will act uponl the pipes to the intercoolers. once these are full all will stay at steady level until the intercooler in the sump fails internally; the weight of water in the tank will act on the water in the pipes and the water will be forced into the sump I think the rest may be history . Even if the tank valve is closed the water in the pipes alone will cause mayhem if it gets into the sump via a failer intercooler . Given their age this is not the first internal intercooler failure in recent years : Assuming of course I have understood your post correctly ????????????? The answer is yes the tank can drain into the engine. TED Edited July 31, 2013 by ted angus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retriever Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I would advise all goddess owners that will not be pumping for long periods to bypass the sump cooler. This is very simple just locate the 2 hoses that run from intercooler to sump, fit 1 hose between the two intercooler unions and the other between the two sump unions. I have seen a goddess engine fill with water untill it hydraulics, not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I can see why an intercooler might be fitted to provide additional engine cooling when static pumping for long periods - but was it also intended to provide an anti-freezing 'water warming' facility to protect the pto driven water pump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) I can see why an intercooler might be fitted to provide additional engine cooling when static pumping for long periods - but was it also intended to provide an anti-freezing 'water warming' facility to protect the pto driven water pump? No, There are drain taps in various places so in cold weather everything should be drained . A pump left idling can boil water !!! Edited July 31, 2013 by ted angus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 yep thats what it was, pipes in sump split, filled my engine with water...unbelievable...so if I bypass this, and the engine is planned to run for a long time I need to fit an electric fan to the radiator? I am going to fit an alternator to it to as having continuous charging issues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 ....so if I bypass this, and the engine is planned to run for a long time I need to fit an electric fan to the radiator?..... Depends if you are planning to use the pump in anger..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retriever Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Easy to fit alternator if you can find a pulley to fit this size belt. I have spare dynamo and solid state regulator if you cannot find the right aternator/pulley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 yep thats what it was, pipes in sump split, filled my engine with water...unbelievable...so if I bypass this, and the engine is planned to run for a long time I need to fit an electric fan to the radiator? I am going to fit an alternator to it to as having continuous charging issues... Not convinced an electric fan would suffice for prolonged pumping, If you are just going to pump out the tank contents you should be safe without the intercooler- but otherwise you really would be best advised to sort it. Have you had a good look at the control box re the charging problem; In the Scottish storage Depots in the 1950s & 60s they stored the GGs with the control boxes removed they hate damp and of course well past their sell by date Good luck TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) the pump is used as our fire engine and site fire engine, I have 200 acres of land to cover, heathland and its very dry Edited August 1, 2013 by paulob1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 In 1976 (Yes I do go back that far:D) A number of privatley owned Green Goodess where used around the Dartford Heath area to assist in pumping water up to the Brigade fighting a huge fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 yes that was the purpose of the green goddess to pump water to other fire engines. I understand. the pipe on mine is well goosed, it looks like it has frozen and split in winter...two very short splits in the copper...we are going to fit an oil cooler and see how that works first, cant be as good as the cold water feed but dont like the idea of the water tank flooding into the engine again, although there is a tap to stop it doing this...but it will be forgotten I am sure so no more water cooling in the engine oil...just need to get me some new sump, rocker cover gaskets...and a new oil filter, anyone know where I can get these...oh and a new headlight lense, broken by son with wayward hammer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antar Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 yes that was the purpose of the green goddess to pump water to other fire engines. I understand. the pipe on mine is well goosed, it looks like it has frozen and split in winter...two very short splits in the copper...we are going to fit an oil cooler and see how that works first, cant be as good as the cold water feed but dont like the idea of the water tank flooding into the engine again, although there is a tap to stop it doing this...but it will be forgotten I am sure so no more water cooling in the engine oil...just need to get me some new sump, rocker cover gaskets...and a new oil filter, anyone know where I can get these...oh and a new headlight lense, broken by son with wayward hammer... Paul, If you just want a new Goddess I know where there are 2 as released from Withams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 no my old girl is back and good, just need the gaskets...going to lose the in sump oil cooler and go with a seperate oil cooler. Just need the gaskets and oil filter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 okay got all parts well on order will be back running in a few days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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