ted angus

Andy i dont think its a type L

Marking for No 4 MT company, based in London.

Afraid i cannot give any info re mpbw records or the existance of other examples. The info i have was taken from auction catalogues whilst primarily researching aux fire service and cd vehicles

When the RAF / Air ministry ceased to have responsibility for its real estate, some of its vehicles and plant were transferred to the Ministry of Public Buildings and Works (MPBW) ** FUL is part of a large block allocated to the MPBW. I have 37 FUL on my database as a hardtop. Over the years there has been much discussion as to the colour schemes of these airfield lighting trucks, in addition to RAF B/G with yellow, red and white was also used for vehicles whose primary task was in the active flying areas ie the runway, its approaches, taxiways and flight lines.

As i said yes correct, in addition with a cross country course which was used for driver training which also gave the trans a good unwind. Ted

That is all correct. Most stations had a cross country driving route which also had the desired effect. Movement of the mk 6 variants was always by low loader between units and to and from the regional 4th line workshops. Ted.

It wont surprise me if some individuals were dual roled, especially in large industrial organisations.

Indeed Adrian no doubt there would have been variations or examples of ignoring the regs. Ted

Have a look under fire guard on the same site, afraid i am on my tablet and havent a clue how to put on a link. Ted

W is the marking for a warden. Wardens were not issued with Zucherman. FG is the marking for fire guard. , Only fire guard officers wore white helmets, and these were of the brodie pattern. Even the most senior only had 1 wide band and 2 narrow bands. So i would scratch my head over this one. An excellent place for ww2 CD info is ww2civildefence.co.uk.

Many thanks, 24 MU was origially RAF Ternhill, in 1942 The MU site was renamed RAF Stoke Heath; I have checked which hangars they had and they fit perfectly with those in the film i.e. Lamella and Type D. Still a long haul from Lincs though. I have now worked out to move a repairable Lanc it took 8 QMs !! in the shot attached, 6 complete QMs can be seen, on the right is the nose of a Bedford OX this will have the fuselage centre section(with wing roots). missing from the shot is a second QM carrying 2 engines- the second from the left is carrying 2 engines So that would make a great modelling project for somebody !! TED.

Defo a. 19H

No, its part of the Nubian chassis designation the DP 1 should read TF/B80, the DP2 & 3 TFA/B81, but in various place TFA is incorrectly recorded for the DP1. have a look back at your message on monday where you have listed 3 vehicles from MERLIN.

Yes BUT the rear body has been removed , there were a handful of DP1 and at least one DP2 that operated devoid their rear bodies, this would be the result of accident damage but other than rear body work the vehicle was fully functional. They are identifiable as they have a large number on the side prefixed with an F.

Bryan . I watched the films again. And in a couple of very brief shots there are stands or trestle adaptors that are marked 30 MU. 30MU was at Sealand and digging into Sealand reveals it was a repair centre for Lancasters. The hangar types are as in the film So i think we can safely say Sealand was the repair location foe EE 193. I worked out 7 qm to move a repairable Lanc. Ted

Hi Bryan I am struggling to identify the unit they took EE193 to, Avro had a Lancaster repair depot on land belonging to RAF Langar which is not too far from Newark, I have accessed their records and EE193 was not rebuilt by them plus there buildings do not match the building where EE193 was unloaded. The building do conform to RAF Sealnd but that is a long trek for a convoy of QMs. regards TED.

The RN and Army had DP2s. The Army had 3 the RN was an unknown number as the records haven't been accessed MIn of Supply had DP1s at Farnborough , Bedford Pershore etc. 27 AG 12 and 13 were also DP 3s. You havent included the operational MK 6 proto 22AG54. 01AY51-54 are not DP 3 the were ex RN MK7 - 6x6 Nubians by Pyrene. Re 47RN44, this is a type only used by the RN 6x6 Nubian by Sun, the RN seem to favour rear mounted monitors . they also had a handful on the 4x4 Nubian.

I have done some further research into the content of the film. The aircraft was based at RAF Scampton, it returned to its base post raid and its undercarriage collapsed on landing at Scampton . I was stationed at Scampton in 68-70, in the film houses can be seen in several shots in the background, they are to the south west of the 04 end of the runway.. The R & S team were from No 58 MU which had its base at Newark. It was obviously built from scratch for the purpose . Its very basic and would only be equipped with the facilities to carry out its task. There is a website on WW2 RAF organisation and it details the composition of all the Groups at various times during the war. There are several MU that are purely R & S and they all appear to have bare bones bases. Yes they would each have a patch. I still have more digging to do and my next quests are to work out from the film how many QM would be on a task for a Lancaster; It took 2 to carry the engines and props alone. I also need to identify the repair location. EE 193 was rebuilt and was later lost on ops with the loss of all crew. Ted. https://www.rafweb.org/

A fantastic film on the IWM SITE. The repair and salvage of lancaster EE 193. 8 reels . A single convoy for a lanc appears to be at least 6 possibly 8 QMs . 2 gs tenders with tools jigs etc .

25AG81 -85 were DP 1 special builds for driver training at No 4 School of Technical Training RAF St Athan DP 2 you need to add 26AG46. Both the Army and RN had there own DP 2s Min Supply had there own DP 1s at Farnborough. Bedford. And other research establishments.

There were 3 different DP types D.P. 1 by foamite (4x4), D.P. 2 by miles (6x6), D.P. 3 by gloster saro. All on Nubian chassis.

Known as the DP 2, same truck in both shots. The lower shot shows it equipped with a anti- fragmentation screen for use on missile sites such as Thor & Bloodhound. The trucks official title. "Truck Fire-Fighting 5 ton 6x6 Water Foam DP2" Thornycroft Nubian chassis finished vehicle by MILES.

Bryan sorry to hear you are not too well , crappy year here as well shingles, covid, chest infection. I would guess 49 mu had cranes. QM and other trailers. Tractor units for the trailers. Motor cycles recovery convoy duties. Trucks [ often Dodge 3 tonners carrying lifting tackle jacks etc ] in support of recovery tasks, 15 cwt or tilly for convoy commander. On MUs in the 1950/60/70s I am pretty sure that MUs had seperate M T establishment to the station they were based on, but during WW 2 I think some MUs were stand alone units on a particular site. This would then generate a domestic fire tender. A couple of trailer pumps, at least one domestic ambo. A tipper for coke delivery to the huts and messes. Possibly a sullage tender if no mains sewage. A ration carrying tender. Unit commanders car. Passenger carrying vehicles for welfare runs to the nearest town and moving personnel to the nearest railhead. Vehicle or vehicles to collect stores from the nearest railhead and/or the nearest operational station that was on the priority freight distribution circuit. So i think we could reach 41 vehicles. Assuming my 49 over 41 theory is correct. As an aside i would be very interested in any squadron, unit or station mt establishment you might unearth. TED

Bryan. Roundel should be on offside for traffic control purposes. .my guess is 49 mu. Fleet number 41: Ted

The bridge class for this vehicle is 4 it is possible that there is no second number above the line. Ted.