Tony B Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Most commercial tyre palces capable of handaling MV size tyres no seem extremly ansty over split rims. While we all know actually fitting the tyres is easy, it's breacking the bead in the first place! Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced DIY bead breacker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcot1751 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I can't help you but if someone can I would be most interested. I need to get all my tyres changed on my '41 Chevy cargo and can't find one tyre place round here who will do the job ! Good luck :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEMIMA Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I cant remeber / find the name but i used a mobile / motorway commercial tyre fitter to change the tyres on my Dodge a few years ago.I purchased the tyres seperatly and booked this chap to come around - kept him in tea and chocky biscuits and think he charged around £25 a rim - I think it may have been a company called Motorway tyres ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 This is the type of breaker I have and it worked fine on both my Scammell and Pig tyres mate ! Good exercise mind ! :-D http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=slide+hammer+bead+breaker&img=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apm-supplies.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2FTE261.jpg&v_t=client97_searchbox&host=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apm-supplies.co.uk%2Fbead-breaker-p-83.html&width=181&height=125&thumbUrl=http%3A%2F%2Ft1.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcTpiL5P7JUxkydl044DUwAy5PHj-gT0THAIHInN1Jk_7JdLas2vSjFCeIF6%3Awww.apm-supplies.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2FTE261.jpg&b=image%3Fv_t%3Dclient97_searchbox%26page%3D5%26q%3Dslide%2Bhammer%2Bbead%2Bbreaker%26s_it%3DimageResultsBack%26oreq%3D5a5471b7d57d455fa87eabf53e441dfb%26oreq%3D91d1b5bd203548bb885e0b2fe2532947&imgHeight=265&imgWidth=385&imgTitle=APM+Agriplant+-+Bead+breaker&imgSize=52997&hostName=www.apm-supplies.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 Yes that is a Henchman type, the one I've been recommended but at around £225 ! :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoseman Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Do you know anyone with a GRAB WAGON, Hiab, Atlas etc type??? I have seen the STABILIZER LEG lowered onto a bead to break it...!!!! Quite effective as ive seen!!!! Suppose a JCB 3CX leg would do the same!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I made my own, it works fine, I will try to remember to photograph it tomorrow and post a picture. I made it when I had to change all of the tyres on my GMC.......... 11 wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 One on Ebay Tony , could you detour the bus like they used to " on the buses" http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HGV-tyre-bead-breaker-whacker-/161056886450?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item257fbd0eb2#ht_45wt_1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Do you know anyone with a GRAB WAGON, Hiab, Atlas etc type??? I have seen the STABILIZER LEG lowered onto a bead to break it...!!!! Quite effective as ive seen!!!!Suppose a JCB 3CX leg would do the same!!! Stabiliser legs or or the back-actor will work but only if the bead is reasonably free, if it's rusted on as old ones frequently are then it won't shift them on it's own as it is pressing on the sidewall of the tyre not on the bead. You will then need to resort to the use of a 'plonker' or large, blunt chisel ended drifts and a sledgehammer. If these things don't work a stihlsaw will :-D Tyre houses usually claim insurance issues due to H&S but the real reason is the time spent and the difficulty encountered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retriever Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 If you can get them to ampthill near bedford then i can get them stripped off the rims for a small charge, we use a machine that will strip off any wheel including earthmovers. split rims are no problem if you know what you ae doing, including reassembly. just pm me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinsaunders06 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Hello, This is the tyre remover i have, http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?21597-Fitting-New-MRF-NDMS-Ferret-Tyres&p=234426#post234426 Cost me 50 euro's, i've split about 20 wheels and it hasn't failed yet. Can generally split a british rim in a couple of hours, it's not just breaking the bead that hard but getting the tyre over the ring of corrosion behind it. The chap that sells them is generally at war and peace. Regards John Yep I bought one of these from a foreign guy in the trade at war and peace some years ago for £65 as new in a box all complete , he is there every year and always has at least one for sale . It's probably the best value bit of kit I've bought . It does my 1200/20 split rims easy . Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 One on Ebay Tony , could you detour the bus like they used to " on the buses" http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HGV-tyre-bead-breaker-whacker-/161056886450?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item257fbd0eb2#ht_45wt_1011 I want to breack the bead! Not shatter the rim!:-D Actually though.... have words with our enginners. Most bus companies lease the tyres now (No kidding!) so we have a weekly visit from Michillin Man, who has his own cubby hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) Stabiliser legs or or the back-actor will work but only if the bead is reasonably free, if it's rusted on as old ones frequently are then it won't shift them on it's own as it is pressing on the sidewall of the tyre not on the bead. You will then need to resort to the use of a 'plonker' or large, blunt chisel ended drifts and a sledgehammer. If these things don't work a stihlsaw will :-DTyre houses usually claim insurance issues due to H&S but the real reason is the time spent and the difficulty encountered. Seriously thinkimg of a saw on three as they are past it. Trouble is there are two Firestone British NATO type that are usable, don't want to spoil them. I've got 5 new Michilin similar to the old Avon Traction Milage type. I know they are not NDC, but, as the vehicle is marked up for Pre D-Day in UK it would have run on 'Economy' tyres anyway. A mate has one of the Ex German ones, but dosen't quite fit a Dodge rim, does work though. Retriver, thanks for offer, but a bit far, though given me an idea, I can try the local agricultural place. Edited July 1, 2013 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanter Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 When I had the cloverleafs taken off our WC54 about 6 years ago I drove up to our local ats euromaster truck tyre place and they had everything done in less than an hour and only charged me £30 so I left them with a bit of beer money as a thanks, I'd be surprised if there wasn't something similar near to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 They have been suggested. I'll see where my local one is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b2414 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Take one Spear and Jackson 6" Post Rammer at £48 from machinemart had one large crow bar and presto you have a bead breaker. cheers bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 Take one Spear and Jackson 6" Post Rammer at £48 from machinemart had one large crow bar and presto you have a bead breaker. cheers bill Good thnking Batman! I have both articales lurking in the shed!:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowtrac jim Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 hi for land rover tyres. foot of hi lift jack on tyre and toe under front bumper and use weight of vehicle.may need heavier vehicle.but works most times.have also seen a curved length of bar welded to foot of jack to fit next to rim on tyre bead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammell4199 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Hello, This is the tyre remover i have, http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?21597-Fitting-New-MRF-NDMS-Ferret-Tyres&p=234426#post234426 Cost me 50 euro's, i've split about 20 wheels and it hasn't failed yet. Can generally split a british rim in a couple of hours, it's not just breaking the bead that hard but getting the tyre over the ring of corrosion behind it. The chap that sells them is generally at war and peace. Regards John That looks the business!!! any idea where I could get one? Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolman Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Sorry for the thread hijack, but I have a query about split rims. When I think if split rims I think of the 2 piece rims on the ferret – 2 sides bolted together. However am I right in saying that the most common usage of the term “split rims” generally applies to those that have a non-boltable one sided rim which seems to clip onto the main wheel or be retained by the tyre inflation, and it’s the latter form of split rim that explodes in all those you-tube clips (under inflation) Hence the need for the cages you see them being inflated in? I understand that there is danger in splitting a ferret wheel rim, if the tube is still inflated (dodgy valve for example) - if pressure remains in the tyre, the rims could blast apart. If I remove the valve from the tube in a ferret wheel, and am sure that it’s fully deflated, is there any danger when trying to break the bead and split the rim? Cheers Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 The Dodge has the same type a dozen bolts holding the two halfs together. The other type with the C Clip are a bomb waiting to go off. My procedure before going anywhere near the split rim nuts is to take the valve out of the stem and keep it in my pocket. Then I know the tyre is deflated. Then split the bead, after that split the rim. The rim won't come out if the bead is intact. If you lossen the rim nuts slightly, then WITHOUT the valve in gentle add air to the tyre it will push the rim apart. BUT remove air pipe and wait for tyre to deflate agin before removing the nuts the rest of the way. Always double check rim nuts before re-inflation and take up in small stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 Well problem solved! A local garage has agreed to break the beads for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolman Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 The Dodge has the same type a dozen bolts holding the two halfs together. The other type with the C Clip are a bomb waiting to go off. My procedure before going anywhere near the split rim nuts is to take the valve out of the stem and keep it in my pocket. Then I know the tyre is deflated. Then split the bead, after that split the rim. The rim won't come out if the bead is intact. If you lossen the rim nuts slightly, then WITHOUT the valve in gentle add air to the tyre it will push the rim apart. BUT remove air pipe and wait for tyre to deflate agin before removing the nuts the rest of the way. Always double check rim nuts before re-inflation and take up in small stages. Thanks for the info Tony :-) I'm going to keep a look out for a bead breaker. MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 Thanks for the info Tony :-) I'm going to keep a look out for a bead breaker. MT Would be nice to have one about, but I have to admit, a friendly garage is a lot easier. :-D By the way I will have a couple of 9 x 16 usable clover leaf a usable Firestone NATO and a workable Continental. If anyone intrested let me know, otherwise they will just sit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big ray Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Pics as promised, I made this breaker from scrap materials, apart from the sledgehammer head, in a couple of hours at work (It was my business, now our sons) it works very well and any one with a midicum of welding ability can make one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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