antar Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Pictures from Borden this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor mark 4B Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Spent a few hours there quite a few years back, as a guest of Roger Jones, who was the curator then. Good stuff on show, sadly not open to all. When I was there, there were a few Land Rover "specials", including the Roadless Forestry Commission one with tractor tyres front and back. An excellent interlude while on my way back to the far South West! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchinuk Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Spent a few hours there quite a few years back, as a guest of Roger Jones, who was the curator then. Good stuff on show, sadly not open to all. When I was there, there were a few Land Rover "specials", including the Roadless Forestry Commission one with tractor tyres front and back. An excellent interlude while on my way back to the far South West! I believe the Land Rover "Funnies" were ex-Beverley. The oddest thing I remember seeing on one of several visits to the collection was a 4x4 Austin Maestro van, it was used as a development 'mule' for the Land Rover Freelander. jch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 great pics john, thanks for taking the time to post them, i spent a year at bordon and never knew they had a collection of old mv's but back then i would have had little interest in them, to me they would have been just another army wagon to work on but now i'd love to have a tour. do you know if they have a centaur arv in the collection. eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Hi Eddy I don't think there are any Centaur or A27 type ARVs in existance I actually don't think there are any Mk1 style wartime ARVs around at all -I think the last one was a Churchill ARV Mk1 cut up at Pounds. Antar nice pics. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzkpfw-e Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 No Centaur ARVs are known to survive, several 'dozers however. No MkI Churchill ARV either, Borden's MkII is the only one of its species, 3 or 4 MkIIIs exist (Cadman Bros, Alwal & Ahmednagar (India) and a possible one on the Haltern Training Area in Germany http://www.hartziel.de/index.htm?/haltern/index.htm ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 great, i was thinking of turning the centaur into an arv as the turret and ring will go on the charioteer to get it back to it's original cromwell spec so i'd be left with something that looked like an arv anyway and being REME it's only fitting that i should honour my corps wartime history/antics plus i'll probably put a meteor in as the liberty is in a pile at the bottom of the engine compartment which combined with the lack of turret and gun weight will give me the fastest tank in town :cool2: eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Some nice Churchill track in Germany bit of a trip to liberate it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 from my house to dortmund is only 13 hours traveling, so andy what you doing over the xmas break, fancy a road trip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 from my house to dortmund is only 13 hours traveling, so andy what you doing over the xmas break, fancy a road trip Listening to sparks fly as I'm kicked out of the house by the missus... along with a sore head when the suit case smashes me on the noggin if I even think of asking about a road trip to Dortmund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) Pzkpfw-e Borden's MkII is the only one of its species, 3 or 4 MkIIIs exist (Cadman Bros, Alwal & Ahmednagar (India) and a possible one on the Haltern Training Area in Germany http://www.hartziel.de/index.htm?/haltern/index.htm ) Not quite correct there are at least four Churchill ARV Mk2. The Mark designator in this case is for the ARV type not the tank type. Bordens ARV Mk2 T68915 51ZR94 is from a batch of Beyer Peacock built tanks variously built as Mk1, Mk2 and Mk3 ranging from one as an OKE T68875 Beetle which landed with the Calgary Rgt at Dieppe to T68878 which became a Bridgelayer with a Post War VRN of 44ZR57 and struck off in November 1962. Of the two ARV Mk2 in India, one has a number T173116 which if genuine is a from a dual manufactured batch by Birmingham Carriage/Broom and Wade which includes late production Mk4-6pdr, Mk4 75mm (Mk6) but also includes Ark Mk2 and Bridgelayers. There is also a very worn-rusty ARV Mk2 ex Pounds in private hands in Kent. Churchill ARV Mk2 were very late conversions there is little or no evidence of use during WW2. The conversions such as the Borden example have late model changes such as 8inch air outlet and Mk7 suspension. The hard target site is a bit of an of an none starter as I'm sure it is of the ranges that have the "comandature prohibition" which says that requests for vehicles and parts will be ignored so unless some-one is really blessed with the blarney don't bother:cool2:. By Alwal do you mean Axvall in Sweden as far as I am aware they have only a Mk3 gun tank (re-enforced turret) which seems to have been obtained from Denmark as Sweden never used the Churchill. Steve Edited December 12, 2010 by steveo578 spelling and addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzkpfw-e Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Alwal, as in MCEME Parade Grounds, RSI Institute, Alwal (India) http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Churchills.pdf On this listing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphibi boy Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I have some photo's taken at this collection, i used to visit it whenever down there on a course, used to shoot off to lunch, then spend the rest of the lunch break oogling and drooling at the collection. :nut: Have the land rover "funnies" will look for them and have to scan them for up load as they are pre-digital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Pzkpfw-eAlwal (India) Thanks for that clarification:-) the MCEME Parade Grounds Hyderbhad. While a useful and interesting site Shadock is not that accurate - they would probably get more assistance to correct errors in their script if they weren't so cavalier in posting photos that they don't have copyright. For my own stuff I have a totally open policy for my photos, if asked. I don't like people using stuff without permission. With regard to the Haltern wreck note it was built on an early hull without cones or nuts. The two Indian exhibits are fitted with original two piece air intakes, inverted with sheet steel extensions - these were common on both Churchill ARV Mk1 & 2 -I'm not sure why but as it was a REME preference there must have been a good reason for it. The existing REME exhibit has the standard mid/late production air intakes. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLUF Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Hi All, I have been lucky enough to have visited Bordon on many occasions and of course taken various photos, but thanks must go to the man himself for allowing my visits. So a Very big thank you to Roger for all the mega experiences had over the years. well in no particular order here we go..... enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLUF Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 More? silly question I guess...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 More? silly question I guess...... Hi Fluf, Is that the infamous Noddy in this photo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter4456 Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Outstanding photos - more when you have time please!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecyMech Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Oooooh, would`nt mind a cabby round the slab again before I snuff it, preferably in a Cent though. 'Memories are made of this...' (Dean Martin) Wonder if the Conq is still down the hole ? See the F88 240 wrecker with the Mili on the hook ?, that was brand new & on trials at Bordon while I was there in training. Apparently the gear was ok but being 4x2 it was otherwise useless....lost out to the Crusader in the end I believe. The vehicle collection shed was then home to the MT Section, with about a dozen trucks in a vast hanger... where I did many a winter 'cold start' on TK (no not MK) for HGV3 & then on Militant Mk3 wrecker for HGV2. Happy days. H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLUF Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Hi Fluf, Is that the infamous Noddy in this photo? Hi Richard, The guys name slips me totally, but was a pukka character, and the name also slips my mind (must be an age thing) of the guy who explained all that was going on with the recovery. All I do remember is some of his very funny comments, some of the facts and that he was a South African. Hi Peter4456, Yes sure will post later, do you just want stuff in the shed or from the heath as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Hi Richard, The guys name slips me totally, but was a pukka character, and the name also slips my mind (must be an age thing) of the guy who explained all that was going on with the recovery. All I do remember is some of his very funny comments, some of the facts and that he was a South African. Hi Fluf, If it is who I think, he was a civilian Recovery Instructer at Bordon, but had served as a Recy Mech in REME. A very knowledgable and entertaining guy, not sure about the S.African bit though. He had a lot to do with the Historic Vehicle Collection in the early days, when he and Rog, along with other helpers, used to bring out large numbers of vehicles from the collection to rallies around the South of England, notably MVT Southsea, Rushmoor Steam Rally, Beltring, etc. Those were the days ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLUF Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Hi Richard, Yes that does seem to ring some bells, so you could be right, will see if I have any close ups of him, The South African was another guy, will also see if I have photo of him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLUF Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Ok Richard, Heres the mug shots and the South African Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Ok Richard, Heres the mug shots Hi Fluf, That is Noddy ! Don't know the other guy though. Noddy used to bring out a Scammell Medium to the rallies, it had a large air vent on the cab roof, as it was last in service in Kenya. He looked on it as his own, so I felt very priviliged to be allowed to take it out to a rally near Petersfield once. I think this was when an AEC Medium came into the collection, and Noddy took that under his wing :-). I have lots of photos of the vehicle collection, but usually out and about, not in the shed, these would date from the mid-1980's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter4456 Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 It's all superb - that's why I love this forum - people willing to share their photo gems!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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