andypugh Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I think the water pump with no impeller was amazing; what were they thinking ? It is not as daft as it might seem, many vehicles of that era used a purely "thermosiphon" cooling system, relying on natural convection. In fact in the book "The Bennett College of Motoring" from around 1914 seems to be of the opinion that such systems are superior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeePig Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Having also reread the whole thread, there seems to be a comment about cutting down some oaks to use as material to build the body? Did I read that right, because I though oak was quite corrosive, in terms of timber? Trevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super6 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 It is not as daft as it might seem, many vehicles of that era used a purely "thermosiphon" cooling system, relying on natural convection. In fact in the book "The Bennett College of Motoring" from around 1914 seems to be of the opinion that such systems are superior. Fordson E83W's had a thermo-syphon cooling system and they were built from 1938 to 1957 although a water pump was available as an optional extra for some markets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel Posted May 22, 2014 Author Share Posted May 22, 2014 Having also reread the whole thread, there seems to be a comment about cutting down some oaks to use as material to build the body? Did I read that right, because I though oak was quite corrosive, in terms of timber? Trevor We had several nice oaks that we cut with our sawmill. Is it the wood itself that is corrosive to the steel? I am not that good in wood things, better with metal! As for the impeller: I also think it might have something to do with too much cooling, and the thermo-siphon which works good. However, as they kept turning the grease cap on the water pump housing, it was full of grease so there was not much water that could circulate. Maybe just enough? I guess we will never know the details, if only these old things could tell their stories... Regards Marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super6 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 We had several nice oaks that we cut with our sawmill. Is it the wood itself that is corrosive to the steel? I am not that good in wood things, better with metal! Regards Marcel See here http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8345050_screws-do-use-oak.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Oak / Iron fixings. I remembering reading that holes were burnt locally before using iron fixings on the old warships. This was done with the studding when I made my oak house door and it is still looks OK after more than a decade. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Hello Marcel, Just found this picture on Delcampe. Don't know if it's useful for your rebuild... ) Cheers, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andypugh Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 He's taking his life in his hands running beaded-edge tyres at such a low pressure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
79x100 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 He's taking his life in his hands running beaded-edge tyres at such a low pressure! ...and no strap round the headstock for when the fork spring breaks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The photo is a gem on any scale. Can anyone fill us in on location and uniform?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) There's nothing on the back of the picture. But the uniform looks French to me... Here's another picture, same source: Jan Edited June 20, 2014 by rewdco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Herbert Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 British WD style recovery hooks on the front spring hangers ? David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 Hello Marcel, Just found this picture on Delcampe. Don't know if it's useful for your rebuild... ) Cheers, Jan That picture certainly contains some interesting details, thanks for posting it here! We have started working on the body. A few months ago we made an offer on several woodworking machines. Last week the call came that our offer was accepted and last Saturday we went to remove them from the shop they were in for 50+ years. Today we used the planer and the band saw. We first cut holes in the long beams, then split them in two halves on the bandsaw and made the openings. We have enough old bolts with square nuts that were given to us by a good friend. More pictures will follow as we make progress! Marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Good to hear that I posted these pictures just at the right moment! Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 You have a wonderful shed, Cel. So many interesting things everywhere! There is great joy in using old tools but I am pleased to see some guarding on the bandsaw! Wonderful progress as ever. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flandersflyer Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 i remember an old Sagar bandsaw that was just stuck outside in a yard in Hereford where i did a blacksmithing course 15 years ago... it was all open framed...cast... would`v been run off linedrives would that. Another place to see old machinery is the national coal mining museum at Caphouse colliary between Wakefield & Huddersfield...theres the old Machine shop there with a load of old line driven stuff like bandsaws, table saws, planer/jointers and spindle moulders...theres also a load of old line driven lathes, millers and grinders...theres an old line driven box & brake radial drill there as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andypugh Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Another place to see old machinery is the national coal mining museum at Caphouse colliary If you don't already know about it: http://www.lathes.co.uk is a marvellous site. I have an old lathe as an "ornament" in my living room: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/rivett-lathe-stand.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Thats a very nice lathe Andy, and an even nicer cabinet you made for it! I know that site, there are pictures of my treadle lathe in the Karger section. Just love belt driven machinery, one of our ongoing projects is a small workshop with a lineshaft. The guarding on the bandsaw was fitted by the previous owner, it is quite simple but it feels indeed a lot safer to work with! Steve, we actually have no space left in the shed but somehow we always manage to find an empty spot when we find another item we cannot resist:-D This evening I made new bushings for one cardan joint of the propshaft, the old ones were badly worn. These run inside a bowl that is partially filled with oil. reaming to size and inline ready to fit! Marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flandersflyer Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 A lot of the late Mr. Dibnah`s machines were on linedrives. That place of his should`v been kept as a museum....i think it was all sold off after his departure. very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 Work continued on the cardan joints, they are both ready to fit now. The diff side is the sliding one, the grooves all have several lubrication holes. It goes to show that back in 1916 this was a new system and a bit overengineered because they probably didn't know how it would act. I have replaced the felt ring but when assembling the shaft I noticed that it is not possible to line up both the cardans. They should be in line but I guess it will work this way? The whole shaft assembly is quite heavy, about 40 kg. Also interesting is how the diff end is connected to the tube, several studs that are riveted to the tube and made flush. You can't see where they are from the outside. I have also ordered new bearings for the gearbox, more of that next week. Marcel:D The holes on the gearbox side were oval and now round again also the shaft was worn so a new one was made up no welding! new felt seal no alignment between the two cardans:??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 All good progress and nice to see. How did you cut the spiral grooves in the shaft? The pitch looks very large for normal screw cutting. My approach would have been doing them by hand with a pencil grinder following a rough spiral marked with a pen but yours are a proper professional job! Do you think the phasing of the ends is deliberate or accidental? if the gearbox output flange and the differential input are not parallel then you would need some phasing but I am not sure how to calculate it. Thanks for sharing! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopa Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 "No alignment between the two cardans? :embarrassed:" That at would be correct. the bind that occurs every 90 degrees on each joint needs to be offset about 45 degrees from that of the other joint to prevent locking the shaft during rear suspension movement. Looking at your photo the offset of the two joints looks about right to avoid that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 I think I understand, thank you for the clarification. Will measure the angles and see how that matches to the phasing, that should be deliberate then? Steve, on my lathe I have a pitch that is large enough to cut this groove. I was not aware of that until I needed it, so I was quite pleased to find it out! Marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 I have been doing some smaller jobs on the Peugeot. Fitted the cardan on the rear axle, made new filler caps for the radiator and petrol tank and decide to take apart the gearbox because the bearing on the input shaft had too much play. New bearings are ordered and should arrive tomorrow. One of the next jobs will be the sealing of the petrol tank with tank sealer. Marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtskull Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 One of the next jobs will be the sealing of the petrol tank with tank sealer. A word of warning: Make sure that you use a tank sealer that is specified as resistant to ethanol. These are expensive, but many of the cheaper tank sealants which are available were designed many years ago, when petrol did not contain ethanol. Today, nearly all petrol has ethanol added to it, which attacks the sealant and you end up with a leaking tank full of a nasty grey mess. :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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