shatters Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 What's this on the radiator grill of my landie ? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Interstart Jump Start Socket... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 What's this on the radiator grill of my landie ? Phil Inter Vehicle socket, for jump starting. I cannot see the voltage, but if 12volt it might have been used in Norway. Generally speaking these sockets are only on 24volt vehicles, but if memory serves me, the Scammell EKA recovery had 12 and 24 sockets fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatters Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 Inter Vehicle socket, for jump starting. I cannot see the voltage, but if 12volt it might have been used in Norway. The Landie is 12V, but the Norway statement may ring true as it is fitted with an Arctic heater and has had a coat of white paint among it's many layers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 The Landie is 12V, but the Norway statement may ring true as it is fitted with an Arctic heater and has had a coat of white paint among it's many layers. Ah, I thought they had sockets fitted, but could not recollect them being on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Generally speaking these sockets are only on 24volt vehicles, but if memory serves me, the Scammell EKA recovery had 12 and 24 sockets fitted. Correct, 2 identical sockets with the 12v running off a centre tap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 On the 24v ones these are fitted to the seat box near the batteries. I guess they stuck it on the grill of a 12v one to save running the long cables from the seat box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 On the 24v ones these are fitted to the seat box near the batteries. I guess they stuck it on the grill of a 12v one to save running the long cables from the seat box. The 12v vehicles battery is just behind that socket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Inter Vehicle socket, for jump starting. I cannot see the voltage, but if 12volt it might have been used in Norway. Generally speaking these sockets are only on 24volt vehicles, but if memory serves me, the Scammell EKA recovery had 12 and 24 sockets fitted. Did all Airportables have an oil cooler? Seems odd if intended to work in Norway, that there is an oil cooler, but I admit to not knowing a lot about Airportable spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Did all Airportables have an oil cooler? Seems odd if intended to work in Norway, that there is an oil cooler, but I admit to not knowing a lot about Airportable spec. I had an Artic set up Series 3 FFR that had an oil cooler. Norway gets warm in the summer you know?:-D The Artic heater is an awesome beast. Do you have the vents over the dor windows and windscreen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatters Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 The Artic heater is an awesome beast. Do you have the vents over the dor windows and windscreen? No, not yet, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowtracdave Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I remember many years ago now when Rodney Tuck at RST used to deal in more ex mil Land Rovers he had some of these with the full kit...they looked very nice and cosy...with a good chance of hanging yourself in the tubework :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 (edited) I don't wish to shatter any aspirations of a genuine Ex-MOD GS "Winterized" Lightweight that you may have, but sorry from what I have read and from just the single photograph I don't think you have one. I can say that genuine ones were produced by C.J. Williams Ltd. (Protec Precision) of Aldershot or some converted using the "kits" by REME. I have a full set of blue prints (for heat exchanger & nozzels etc. but unfortunately not for canvas screens or the Inter Vehicle Start) and in fact IIRC a Mr Mike Boxall supplied me with a list of vehicles they converted. The kits were disposed of (about 80 qty. 1992 by MOD at auction) and I purchased what I understand was the last 4 qty. from MVS (Lichfield) in Y2K. So - I can tell you with certainty that there is a possibility of at least 80 vehicles that have been converted in private ownership but some kits may be gavering dust in garages ? When it comes down to counting the rivets, then these private conversions can normally be readily identified. ======================= ISTR that I have seen the odd slave start mounted to in service Lightweights on the front panel (possibly REME LAD). Possibly some winterized by the army were done in this short-cut manner - I don't know for certain.. I will stick my head out a bit and state possibly with the GS there were two ways and the method on your photograph is one (not a very good one at that). I have 55 KB 92 RM 45 com. (grille badged 2IC) still with 45,816 Km / 28,468 miles on the clock, I have had it stood on blocks since Feb 1992 and it is probably the best example released. This is a GS - the Inter vehicle Start Socket is in the passenger footwell (on the seat-base) . The normal starting battery is under the bonnet but in the rear tub behind the seats is a framework for clamping the "SLAVE BATTERY" - tractor size with a sheet steel box cover. ====== In the case of a FFR , then the normal starting batteries were relocated to the rear corners of the tub (special made steel boxes secured where corners of tub cut away). This was done to make available the centre seat position to mount the heat exchanger. This is a point , that I am now unclear about. The heavy "blue coloured" insullation on the cables from the slave start socket in the footwell - I think they were just stowed at the rear of the tub. I think they were just coupled up to the Unitary Radio Kit batteries if needed for slave start. Edited September 20, 2009 by ruxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatters Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 Just to clarify, my landie no-longer has the inter vehicle skt fitted, the pic was cropped from a 1997 pic from Uttoxeter racecourse, whilst still in service with the RMLY 1997 Now Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 The 1997 photograph shows no signs of several small hooks fitted on the bodywork for snow / ice blind rope lashing points. They (RM) could have fitted a heat exchanger in the cab but I would expect some signs of lining of interior panels with Hardura insullation material (unless it was a quick job). Seems more a case of a RM vehicle offering a bit of extra comfort for officer / SNCO , pity the in service photograph does not have a metal plate 4" x 6" immediately below the bonnet release hole (wired or tie-wrapped on) this would give rank (you can soon add your own Walt plate). Possibly the correct hose fittings are still left on the cylinder head etc. - interested to see a couple of photographs under the bonnet of engine at nearside. I would be interested in exactly the part No. for that antenna mount on the tin-top side, I have a few (not that one) but the photograph is not too clear. I have a similar GS vehicle as yours that I intend giving the full winterization treatment and that mount gives the possibility of a added "genuine" embelishment. =========== The present front view photograph of grille panel , again I would expect to see some evidence of the radiator blind having been fitted (none) . A good double-check is look on the top chassis rail immediately behind the lifting & towing rings - expect to see some small holes (as small as 3/16" dia. for pop rivets) where the radiator blind is secured. Again photographs not showing any evidence of snow/ice/anti-reflection screens for the headlamp blinds ever having been fitted. I live just over the big hill from you and at times often travel over - so it would be interesting to check out the hardware some time. Unfortunately there are very few in service photographs in the public domain of in service winterized LW/T - two years ago I contacted the RM museum to enquire about photographs showing the canopy with full snow/iceblinds but the had nothing ! I wish I had taken photographs at the auctions (I felt it was a bit frowned upon) , after a load of trouble - I now have more or less full details of these blinds for detail drawings to give to a tiltmaker. Still lacking exact final details needed for the door top blinds (LW/T rolled down , similar on 109" rolled up) but there seemed to be a bit of variation from memory but mainly in respect that ropes had been renewed with shock cords. Getting a bit late to get in service photographs now , they shrink (some seemed to have a lighter weight duck than tilt weight) - so dimensions is not easy. Many were stripped off as the winterized were civilianized in private ownership. All I need is a couple of good photographs of these door top blinds. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatters Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 Interstart Jump Start Socket... Any idea of the price of one ? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Inter-vehicle-military-starter-socket_W0QQitemZ360177081362QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Other_Vehicle_Parts_Accessories_ET?hash=item53dc3a1c12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 OK 'ish price - you may find one cheaper if you watch and wait. Note - this is correct type for Lightweight (black alloy cap) , with a black plastic cap - then this is more Defender era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Note - this is correct type for Lightweight (black alloy cap) , with a black plastic cap - then this is more Defender era. From recollections the plastic capped inter vehicle sockets came into use well before the Defender was introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) http://forum.emlra.org/viewtopic.php?t=5355&highlight=inter+vehicle QUOTE. SAS dinkie Cpt Mainwairing Cpt Mainwairing Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 581 Location: West Sussex PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: Reply with quote Ah, but the one for a ferret is the wrong one for a wolf....... the ferret one is te early one with smooth cap, the wolf one is the later one with ribbed cap, the caps are not interchangeable....... _________________ I have a bog standard 90" 57 KG 59 On the basis of the above posted by SAS Dinkie who has greater knowledge of coilers than I have - I obtained a socket with plastic cap to be more correct (in garage & still to fit) - just in case I need to do a slave start for real. However - he is talking Wolf and my 90" is not even a Defender , so it seems I could use a metal cap type. I don't know when the change point was but probably old stock lasted a few years. I have examined a few dozen winterized Lightweights but only seen the metal cap type but there is plenty more to eyeball yet ! Edited October 9, 2009 by ruxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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