wally dugan Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 (edited) Never been a fan of fire engines but first Thorneycroft DP 4X4 seem to appear it the late 1950s in the list of RAF FLEET numbers the 6x6 in 1960 Edited September 7, 2023 by wally dugan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 3 hours ago, wally dugan said: Never been a fan of fire engines but first Thorneycroft DP 4X4 seem to appear it the late 1950s in the list of RAF FLEET numbers the 6x6 in 1960 Thanks, @wally dugan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 (edited) l know nothing about fire engines other than a lot are painted red and l keep away from them a lot went to FVRDE over the years 4x2 4x4 6x6 these are just two that were there Edited September 7, 2023 by wally dugan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Known as the DP 2, same truck in both shots. The lower shot shows it equipped with a anti- fragmentation screen for use on missile sites such as Thor & Bloodhound. The trucks official title. "Truck Fire-Fighting 5 ton 6x6 Water Foam DP2" Thornycroft Nubian chassis finished vehicle by MILES. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 50 minutes ago, ted angus said: Known as the DP 2, same truck in both shots. The lower shot shows it equipped with a anti- fragmentation screen for use on missile sites such as Thor & Bloodhound. The trucks official title. "Truck Fire-Fighting 5 ton 6x6 Water Foam DP2" Thornycroft Nubian chassis finished vehicle by MILES. I thought Foamite made all the DPs It's been suggested that MILES made the prototype Salamader for Pyrene. Would you have anything on that, please, @ted angus ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 There were 3 different DP types D.P. 1 by foamite (4x4), D.P. 2 by miles (6x6), D.P. 3 by gloster saro. All on Nubian chassis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Many thanks for clarifying that, @ted angus. Much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Would anyone know roughly how many DP1 and DP2 were made, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 numbers allocated to DP 1s 23 AG 96 to 25 AG 80 DP2 25 AG 86 to 26 AG 45 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 hours ago, wally dugan said: numbers allocated to DP 1s 23 AG 96 to 25 AG 80 DP2 25 AG 86 to 26 AG 45 Thanks for that, @wally dugan, much appreciated. If I've done that correctly, 185 DP1 and 60 DP2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 25AG81 -85 were DP 1 special builds for driver training at No 4 School of Technical Training RAF St Athan DP 2 you need to add 26AG46. Both the Army and RN had there own DP 2s Min Supply had there own DP 1s at Farnborough. Bedford. And other research establishments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, ted angus said: ... Both the Army and RN had there own DP 2s Min Supply had there own DP 1s at Farnborough. Bedford. And other research establishments. Thanks for that, @ted angus. Would you know the full production figures for DP1 and DP2 please. I presume that Foamite made all the DP1 and Miles made all the DP2 - for Army and RAF. Apparently, Miles sold out to Gloucester Aircraft in 1960, who sold Miles to Dennis at a later date. Joined a couple of groups to try and find out any history on the Cheltenham factory. Early days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 MERLIN seems rather empty on the DP3, with no DP2 or 1 shown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 on the DP3 l can only add afew 27 AG 14 to 27 AG 23 01 AY 51 to 01 AY 53 as to ones that may have been RN they used to reissue the registration numbers Any in the army service l have not looked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, wally dugan said: on the DP3 l can only add afew 27 AG 14 to 27 AG 23 01 AY 51 to 01 AY 53 as to ones that may have been RN they used to reissue the registration numbers Any in the army service l have not looked Many thanks, @wally dugan Edited September 11, 2023 by Mark Ellis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 MARK a question for you in amongst some files there are listed THORNEYCROFT 4X4 fire tenders with the suffix PD not DP some have army registration numbers some sent to SUN ENGINEERING ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, wally dugan said: MARK a question for you in amongst some files there are listed THORNEYCROFT 4X4 fire tenders with the suffix PD not DP some have army registration numbers some sent to SUN ENGINEERING ? I'll ask the RAF types about the PD. If it was on MERLIN then it would be easy to say typo, because MERLIN is full of those. Do you have FV or contract numbers of the vehicles? Since I started looking at the Salamander, I'm amazed at just how many companies were making fire engines in the 50s and 60s. We always use the name of the chassis manufacturer, rather than the body builder of the fire engine - except for Dennis of course, who made both. Sun Engineering is yet another body builder that made fire engines. This one being in Feltham, which is where Plymouth based Tecalemit group set up a Foamite factory, which is where the Salamander / Foamite crash tenders were made for South Africa. I think there was another Sun Engineering in Coventry, but found this. Edited September 11, 2023 by Mark Ellis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 PD might also be a Thornycroft chassis thing. I found these PD in amongst a load of Thornycroft PE chassis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Having a quick look through the files first it is SUN ENGINEERING FELTHAM secondly the PD is not a p it appears quite clearly written else were as TRUCK FIRE FIGHTING FD FOAM Thorneycroft . Also TENDER FIRE CRASH Thorneycroft sent to HMS HERON YEOVILTON 47 RN 44 /6781 this the first fire engine with a RN NUMBER. As l said l know nothing about fire engines but the more l look the more l am puzzled just checked its the one on page 90 of the FVRDE 1962 CATALOGUE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted angus Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 The RN and Army had DP2s. The Army had 3 the RN was an unknown number as the records haven't been accessed MIn of Supply had DP1s at Farnborough , Bedford Pershore etc. 27 AG 12 and 13 were also DP 3s. You havent included the operational MK 6 proto 22AG54. 01AY51-54 are not DP 3 the were ex RN MK7 - 6x6 Nubians by Pyrene. Re 47RN44, this is a type only used by the RN 6x6 Nubian by Sun, the RN seem to favour rear mounted monitors . they also had a handful on the 4x4 Nubian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 hours ago, ted angus said: The RN and Army had DP2s. The Army had 3 the RN was an unknown number as the records haven't been accessed MIn of Supply had DP1s at Farnborough , Bedford Pershore etc. 27 AG 12 and 13 were also DP 3s. You havent included the operational MK 6 proto 22AG54. 01AY51-54 are not DP 3 the were ex RN MK7 - 6x6 Nubians by Pyrene. ... @ted angus, Thanks for the info. Mk6 prototype is the first one on the Salamander reg sheet. I guess I should also add the FV6001 reg on that as well How many DP1 did the MOS have? Did they have any DP2 or 3, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) another RN ONE 47 RN 40/5485 FLEET AIR ARM OI AY 51 TO 01 AY 53 MY MISTAKE there are lot's of three ton 4x4 s fire tenders listed but l have no idea if there DP 1's or what Edited September 12, 2023 by wally dugan wrong number 40 should be 47 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, wally dugan said: another RN ONE 40 RN 40/5485 FLEET AIR ARM OI AY 51 TO 01 AY 53 MY MISTAKE there are lot's of three ton 4x4 s fire tenders listed but l have no idea if there DP 1's or what I presume that all DP1s are marked up as Thornycroft DP1, @wally dugan I was interested in the DP1 and DP2 because they supported the Foam crash tenders. The Salamander can empty the 700 gallon water tank in 1.8 minutes. The DP1 has a 700 gallon tank, and the DP2 has a 1000 gallon water tank - to support the foam crash tenders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 l have found my list of ROYAL NAVY VRN's there where three listed 47 RN 40/44/ 56 which was dated 1991 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ellis Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Is this a DP1 driver training vehicle @ted angus ? 25 AG 83. The website says TFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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