Markheliops Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Hi all. As seen on MOD web site. Rather tasty I think and one hell of a piece of kit. Should do a "proper job." Read more including spec here. http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/32TonneTrucksRollOffTheProductionLine.htm Markheliops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) The Man 8X8 has been around a while in various forms with various forces and is available (for a price) on the used market. I'm sure the spec has been updated, but talking a few years ago, to an owner at a show at Weston Park, the towing spec was something like 100 tonnes and 50tonnes on the winch, for tank recovery. Looking over the vehicle I was very surprised to find it coil sprung all round. Unusual at the time for a heavy haul vehicle. http://www.leavesley-international.co.uk/images/Products/MAN/Wrecker8x8/MAN%208x8%20Wrecker.pdf Edited June 18, 2008 by Stormin added link to used supplier spec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Looks like it wouldn't fall over as easily as the Foden wreckers did. You never know with army drivers though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 There was a Man 8x8 Wrecker at Leavesley's last time I was there, but the cab was like Swiss cheese. I might pop over this weekend to see if its still there, and get a price for those who are interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poptopshed Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Its still on their web site when i looked the other week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I just think it's a bloody shame that 21st century Britain can't build anything like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Without getting into the nefarious realms of the "P" word - We COULD build something like that, probably better. What we don't have any more are the companies to be able to do it as they were nationalised by one mob then sold overseas to Foreign companies by another. And unfortunately UK employment laws make it easy for these Foreign companies to get rid of the UK side of things when times get sticky. Been on the receiving end of this myself. Compound this with a mob who think the sun shines out of Europes behind and a Defense mob who buy the cheapest kit going wherever possible If the likes of Scammell, Bedfiord, AEC etc. still existed and could rely on Gov't funding for MoD projects I believe the products would be far superior to whats in current use., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I think you've skirted neatly round the politics ban because procurement, privatisation and all that gubbins has been royally cocked up whether the front door is painted red or blue and you've just about covered it. I am guilty for the initial notion anyway, so my moderators profit share will have sunk a few sheckles this week..... I suppose we should just hope that Our Boys and Girls get the best kit, regardless of nationality, and not make do and mend..... MB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 A British made heavy recovery vehicle equal in size and capacity to the MAN, was being trialled, as far back as 1992. It was made by Unipower, a company that took over where Scammell left off. There is a bridging version of their truck in service and it was intended at the time to procure a family of vehicle for different roles base on this Unipower. As is so often seen, it was dropped :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Yes, Richard, I followed those Unipower trucks closely, and thought the range would secure their future and at the same time provide the forces with really good wheels. But I guess it is all down to comonality of components on the battlefield, hence MAN and Stewart & Stevenson (US) trucks - British industry has to take a back seat!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 From personal experience I find MAN vorsprung unreliably overcomplicated. I have a feeling the Army will end up cursing the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 From personal experience I find MAN vorsprung unreliably overcomplicated. Tony, That is the same with most trucks, etc. everything nowadays. I recently had to move an in-service Mowag Piranha APC, and it defied all logic when you got into it. Even the Foden EKA recovery used at present has quite a complex electro-hydraulic layout for the recovery equipment and that is nearly 20 years old now. :??? Gone are the days of fixing by the roadside with get-you-home methods, if the "logic gizmo, or whatever" has gone down then that is the end of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 True talking to the REME about the same subject. The reply was 'There's always a computer about' .I then asked, 'What if the battery is flat or the computer breacksdown?' Subject was rapidly changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Better question might have been what if some nutter lets off a Nuke - irrespective of size as even if the vehicle is far enough away not to be affected by the temp and blast the EMP wave will fry the computer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Nowadays a computer is a tool in a fitters arsenal of fixes, that requires looking after the same as all the tools in his box toolbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Better question might have been what if some nutter lets off a Nuke - irrespective of size as even if the vehicle is far enough away not to be affected by the temp and blast the EMP wave will fry the computer!! When the Leyland DROPS trucks were first introduced, I was sent to SEME on a 3 week workshop course. One week alone was dedicated to the fault finding and repairs of the ZF auto transmission. The electronic box controlling it was in a nuclear proof box in the cab, so that the gearbox would be unaffected by EMP waves. My question was what about the rest of the vehicle and crew? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Yeah right , EMP proof? Considering even a small nuke has the EMP equivalent of about 50,000 kva and the 'Standard' was 25,000 kva. EMP can also be generated by large electric arcs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekawrecker Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 The MAN bit may be German, but the recovery equipment is designed and built by a BRITISH company, EKA. This is the third generation of recovery vehicles EKA have supplied to the British Army-Scammell, Foden and now MAN. (I am NOT connected with them by the way!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 The MAN bit may be German, but the recovery equipment is designed and built by a BRITISH company, EKA. This is the third generation of recovery vehicles EKA have supplied to the British Army-Scammell, Foden and now MAN. EKA was a Swedish company, the first one of their recovery units used by British Army was a Volvo 4x2 in Berlin. The Foden had both Atlas and EKA equipment, Atlas being a German parent company. From experience, most of the components were made in Europe. Good equipment though :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Horndean a few years ago ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les freathy Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Whist on the subject of the Volvo EKA,s here is the 6 wheeled version on trial towing a Martian cargo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petop Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Knowing a bit about the MAN trucks now in-service, the feedback from the lads using the Recovery variant is that its a pretty good truck and a massive improvement on the Foden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Knowing a bit about the MAN trucks now in-service, the feedback from the lads using the Recovery variant is that its a pretty good truck and a massive improvement on the Foden. Do you happen to know the cost of one, I believe we have aquired 280 or so of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petop Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Knowing the price of the Cargo variants, ill guess at £250,000+. And thats being conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 X 6 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Knowing the price of the Cargo variants, ill guess at £250,000+. And thats being conservative. 280 X £250,000 = £70 million. Better than wasting 70m quid on schools or hospitals.:thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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