N.O.S. Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Thanks for those coments - I was worried that (due to my disorganisation) it was going to stand out as being different, and the point about the others being identical is that it is not a competition, but a chance to reinforce a common theme of Remebrence. Seems I got away with it! (Point to remeber in case anyone asks me to organise anything :whistle: ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I was stuck in the office all day and at the appointed hour the fire alarm went off to signal the two minutes silence. One of my colleagues decided to talk through it, telling us what a waste of time it all is and how nobody is bothered. She shut up after twenty seconds. Then another idiot walked in and asked if the fire alarm went off and should we leave. I quickly told him it was the two minute "silence" and he promptly gibbered sorry...sorry over again for the next thirty or forty seconds, squeeling how insensitive he was. That was 11am in my office. My son James marched out with the ATC in Southend in the rain. They have a Christian minister, a Rabbi and the locall Imam address the throng there. The three clerics message is broadly the same. Just as the Imam was doing his bit, a cheerful soul in the crowd yelled out GO HOME!. Having seen many hundreds of Indian army and labour corps muslim graves as well as French equivalents on my travels around the western front of both wars I suppose I feel sick at this crud. My wife wanted to have words with hm, but the idiot vanished in the throng. She was not alone apparently. Maybe next year..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Snapper, Just proves the insensitivity of some people and the way that they think. Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I was stuck in the office all day and at the appointed hour the fire alarm went off to signal the two minutes silence. One of my colleagues decided to talk through it, telling us what a waste of time it all is and how nobody is bothered. She shut up after twenty seconds. Then another idiot walked in and asked if the fire alarm went off and should we leave. I quickly told him it was the two minute "silence" and he promptly gibbered sorry...sorry over again for the next thirty or forty seconds, squeeling how insensitive he was. That was 11am in my office. My son James marched out with the ATC in Southend in the rain. They have a Christian minister, a Rabbi and the locall Imam address the throng there. The three clerics message is broadly the same. Just as the Imam was doing his bit, a cheerful soul in the crowd yelled out GO HOME!. Having seen many hundreds of Indian army and labour corps muslim graves as well as French equivalents on my travels around the western front of both wars I suppose I feel sick at this crud. My wife wanted to have words with hm, but the idiot vanished in the throng. She was not alone apparently. Maybe next year..... It just goes to show, those who 'look in humour', at what we do, during the year, ie, spend time with Military vehicles, etc, really DON'T live in the real world. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 The good thing is Snapper he knew enough not to stay around. There is no race creed colour, religion , sex or sexual orentaion to prevent someone being a burke! :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I agree with your replies gentlemen. We are a bit different to most people and vive la difference! But outright crass insensitivity is beyond the pale (as my dad would say - even if I can't spell it). Stuff 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Gentlemen a suggestion has been made to me. If the original stone goes on loan to the Norfolk museum. Why do we not seek permission to erect our own monument to him in the area? Apparently this can be done relatively easily. A cairn or some such with a plaque. I was talking with Rosemary the Royal British Legion lady at Thetford who arranged all the ceremonial wreaths, she was quite insistent that the stone should stay local. Interesting how many people seem to have an instant view on this, with no hesitation. Until we hear back from those on the list, which I hope will be soon, I do not think we should rush our decision. But if it does stay, I would be happy to help create something for this suggestion. Wotja got in mind ? Just one idea - I could possibly find up a nice large natural block of stone and get it recessed to take an engraved plate :dunno: Might need Jack's gmc to take the weight? :whistle: Wording? In some ways the family wording on our stone might not be appropriate anyway if placed in France, so what should go on it? Chance to put some small wording on, like "erected by members of HMVF" or similar :dunno: Oh yes, Regimental museum cannot find any photograph showing Jackson, apparently units were put together so quickly that group pictures were not always taken (which surprises me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 With regard to Jacksons photo, Im still convinced that the contact in the local paper may be able to throw some light onto it. I will look into it this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I was talking with Rosemary the Royal British Legion lady at Thetford who arranged all the ceremonial wreaths, she was quite insistent that the stone should stay local. Interesting how many people seem to have an instant view on this, with no hesitation. Until we hear back from those on the list, which I hope will be soon, I do not think we should rush our decision. But if it does stay, I would be happy to help create something for this suggestion. Wotja got in mind ? Just one idea - I could possibly find up a nice large natural block of stone and get it recessed to take an engraved plate :dunno: Might need Jack's gmc to take the weight? :whistle: Wording? In some ways the family wording on our stone might not be appropriate anyway if placed in France, so what should go on it? Chance to put some small wording on, like "erected by members of HMVF" or similar :dunno: Oh yes, Regimental museum cannot find any photograph showing Jackson, apparently units were put together so quickly that group pictures were not always taken (which surprises me). Tony (N.O.S), If you are incuring any cost's here, please let me know,...............will gladly chip in. Thanks for all you are doing . All the best, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 I was just thinking if that's the sort of thing you want, I might be able to source a 'free' stone through quarry connections, and "persuade" local masons at Diss to recess it for us as a gesture, they reburbed our village war memorial a while back. Between us all we might be able to twist a few arms :dunno: An engraved gunmetal plate would look nice, big rivets around edge like a WW1 tank plate? Stop me now. Tony B's suggestion is great, but what sort of memorial would you like to see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Do you want me to explore the idea of a memorial in France further? I can try and find out what permissions we need and who to talk to. As to materials, I'm showing my ignorance here, what is local to Norfolk? It would need to be enduring, our great grandkids might need to clean it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 The material associated with Norfolk is FLINT, and with the Thetford area in particular, as the neolithic flint mines at Grimes Graves are only a few miles northwest of the town. If you want a durable plinth out of flint, we could ask John Lord the flint knapping master from Thetford to knap some, to build whatever together with some Norfolk red bricks There are some flints as big as a gmc wheel in interesting shapes too. Sounds like the basis of a plan :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Do you want me to explore the idea of a memorial in France further? I can try and find out what permissions we need and who to talk to. That's a yes from me, but presume it will nned to be put to the Clubhouse Memorials sub-committee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Fine Tony, you know I have a perchance for silly questions :dunno: Flint? Yes that should be durable and long lasting. It also polishes beautifully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 A hint of slow, but positive, progress on Trench Maps - The local WFA trench map man has found the maps we want, which are on the CD of maps mentioned a while back. But he has printer trouble , so has given them to his daughter to print in colour. Hopes to get them by end of week. The 1917 area maps are really good quality examples of the breed, he says, but the 1918 ones are not in the same league. If I cannot scan them I'll get copies posted to whoever needs them - Rick W, Tony B, anyone else? French memorial idea - if building a base plinth in knapped flint and red brick, this would be a multi - day construction job , whereas a stone can be "planted" direct into a concrete mulch. Just something to bear in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Yep, send copies to me, I'll see if I can scan to post on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 The modern map of the Beugny area has come through. the map is IGN 2507. This is the ares Frimcourt to Beugny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Im having trouble with this Tony, if I try and enlarge, even slightly, it gats very pixellated and illegible? Can anyone help with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted November 15, 2007 Author Share Posted November 15, 2007 It's a fairly small file to fit on the forum - if it could be emailed, we could receive a much larger file with 10 times the detail??? Tony - PM'd you my email address in grateful anticipation :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 Rick on way. If anyone send me address for e mail I copy at better resolution and send. Great War Digital do a super set of discs but at £250 a bit steep. There is a possibility they may offer single sections , I'll contact them and ask. http://greatwardigital.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 Great War Digital do a super set of discs but at £250 a bit steep. There is a possibility they may offer single sections , I'll contact them and ask. http://greatwardigital.com/ Just seen their piece in Britain At War, this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Sent them a begging e mail, never know until we ask. Great Mag though isn't it? Could well be worth giving them a write up on the story so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ives Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 not sure if this will work but heres the map i got of the area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ives Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 :goodmorning:it worked :computerterror:so if you look ne of bepeume then you will find bungy on the road to campri at a cross roads it shows that the lines moved a great distance in the last month of the war on a side note there was a program on channel 4 last night with ian hiscox called not forgotten and this was about the dead and the part women had to play and one mother from the cotswolds lost 5 sons so it takes our one part even further 8-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Beugny is NE of Bapaume - the road goes to Cambrai from there in a round about way. The cemetery stands in a field with a water tower behind it. Water towers are always marked on IGN maps and make for excellent reference points on a journey. Just near Beugny is the Louverval Cambrai memorial - a superb place. You can also get to many of the other 1917/8 cemeteries with ease - beautiful countryside there as with all Picardy and Artois. The five sons lost were the Beachy boys. Only one has a grave - at Warlencourt. Went there in October. The cemetery included a man from my firm called Frank Whistle and a Southend High school teacher. There are lots of RFC/RAF people in it. We were also looking for three or four shot at dawns - but someone had stolen, or removed, the register which is common. We hadn't got the references off CWGC before we left, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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