robin craig Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Herewith attached is a photo from the 17/21st Lancers in Northern Ireland. What caught my eye is the under bumper recovery points. Curiously they look very well fabricated and also very similiar to a type mounted on top of the bumper by the Dutch on their vehicles. Any comments please? R ( I think the R is a rivet counter:nut:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Not sure on recovery points but great pic. what unit as all three with SMG's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel demon Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 I suspect they are not recovery points but a local modification for possibly low hanging Macralon ? Ingenious people squaddies...when I was the Brigade Comd's driver he moaned that the rover wasn't fast enough..It was taken to base workshops and appeared the next morning with twin webbers !! still only did 50 but got there quicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13BK76 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Seems reasonable to think they are recovery eyes. Theres no access to the lifting points on the chassis rails to attach an A frame. Begs the question why tho? If it broke down a lot sort/replace it, if it did brake down how many vehicles were carrying an A frame just in case, rope round spring hanger and off you go. Well over engineered to be used for just hanging some protection from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Well over engineered to be used for just hanging some protection from. Not if it's used to mount a "dozer blade" or similar for clearing road blocks or other debris left by rioters etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Reference. Armoured and Heavy Duty Vehicles of the RUC by David Dune. page 75 There are identical "points" on 96EN77 , described as Land Rover of the commanding officer of the 17/21st Lancers , further described as being the first to be fitted with VPK. ----------------- Noted later in the book that many photographs of such as Tangi have loops (recovery I would say) in the same position with access holes in the expanmet skirt (some having hinged cover flaps). ===== IMHO The front bumperettes are air-lift (the lifting points out of sight and do not take a correct sized shackle easy / if at all). It could be that they fitted them where recovery teams expected to find them in a hurry in a typical NI situation (and to match what tackle they used). However looking through the book the front loops often used are standard loops or the rear larger loops (as used on front of Pink Panther and possibly for same reason - weight). It could be that the added weight of VPK took the loading beyond the standard lifting points - so they produced these special HD points. You will find that the present heavy equiped Wolf versions - some have a similar extra HD front lifting point , obviously the standard Rover front loops or JATE ring bolts are unable to take the weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 HD - as used on heavy wolf(s) in centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) Not sure on recovery points but great pic. what unit as all three with SMG's.At the time Cavalry Regiments used the Sterling as personnal weapons for veh crews, although SLR and LMG were carried and used in Northern Ireland. When I wasn't in my Ferret, I carried a LMG. Edited October 12, 2010 by Bazz more info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 At the time Cavalry Regiments used the Sterling as personnal weapons for veh crews, although SLR and LMG were carried and used in Northern Ireland. When I wasn't in my Ferret, I carried a LMG. When I was in Hoagy's Ferret (I think he had gone off CVR(T) driver converting) I still took my SLR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Herewith attached is a photo from the 17/21st Lancers in Northern Ireland. Somebody asked the unit. See above. Bazz, it's 35 years. I saw 17/21L and thought of Roly T***, 17/21L, on ERE to us and in our troop. Guy on the right reminds me of him. Do you remember him? It would have been a long time: do you think he might have stayed on from their Omagh tour, through 16/5L and 1RTR (IIRC) all the way through? Always possible he went back to Tidworth with 17/21L and then back to Omagh later. Or is it my eyes growing dim? Roly and FA Cup Final Day 1976 will forever remain in my memory. Being ERE, he wasn't going home with us at end of tour, mid-May. In stead, all the EREs bartered for better roles than they'd had. Roly had been driving Ralphy, but got himself a place driving ATO. He crowed that while we were checking culverts on the road between Omagh and Garrison, he'd be curled up in the 10-minute Room watch Man U beat Southampton. We got out early and checked the culverts and sat down in Belcoo RUC station to watch the final. In Omagh, ATO got tasked at 1450 ... Oh how we all larfed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas pinkie Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 HD - as used on heavy wolf(s) in centre. Maybe you can show where they came from, as neither of my wolfs have them, and I cannot see them listed in the parts book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) HD - as used on heavy wolf(s) in centre. Fitted only to the newest version of Snatch (Vixen) Edited October 12, 2010 by recymech66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Land Rover Part No. NRC 9011 You will see them on US Ranger RSOV (6 lifting points) Some WMIK Look on the OTOKAR web site - very common on their mil. trucks Believe it or not - ISTR the 90" Dinky @ The Airborne Museum (winch fitted) - it has them fitted. Been around a few years .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I wish they'd fit them to the whole in service Land Rover fleet, it would make lifting them a whole lot easier with the MAN SVR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas pinkie Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 mmm looks like what I need to enable me to a frame the wolf behind the WMIK (or the other way round if needed....). I didnt want to fit the earlier ones as never seen any on the wolfs before with any thing like these fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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