Instructional and Sectioned military vehicles - Shrivenham, Bordon, Bovington,

[Mark Ellis]

In an attempt to one day get better images of the Alvis FV600 sectional hulls, I've set up a group on Facebook to encourage people to share any images they have of Instructional or Sectioned military hulls.

If you do have any images of such vehicles, do please share them by winging them this way.

The group is at https://www.facebook.com/groups/1148269459635844

 

Instructional Stalwart, which apparently was at Shrivenham. The Detroit Locker (side to side) differential is the white ball in the black transfer box 😉

 

The Alvis Saracen Instructional hull, which was at ASMT Leconfield

 

The Alvis Scorpion Sectioned hull, which I think is at Shrivenham.

[Mk3iain]

Interesting subject,   hopefully all images will be on here as not everyone uses Facebook and it would be a shame to undermine this forum.

[Mark Ellis]

@Mk3iain the images might all get on here one day, but they're certainly not at the moment.

Not quite sure as to why you think a Facebook group would undermine a web forum. There's many that never get outside of Facebook, the same as there's many who would never enter into Facebook - because it's the unknown wicked world of evil and temptation 😉 

[Mk3iain]

5 minutes ago, Mark Ellis said:

@Mk3iain the images might all get on here one day, but they're certainly not at the moment.

Not quite sure as to why you think a Facebook group would undermine a web forum. There's many that never get outside of Facebook, the same as there's many who would never enter into Facebook - because it's the unknown wicked world of evil and temptation 😉 

Mark, I know of folk that live in Facebook but that's not for me or many others.  I also know folk who do use this and other forums purely as a source to feed the Facebook habit, many do not contribute to the forums.  I think it is well known that  Facebook is having a negative effect on specialist forums in general.

Each to their own.

[Mark Ellis]

2 minutes ago, Mk3iain said:

Mark, I know of folk that live in Facebook but that's not for me or many others.  I also know folk who do use this and other forums purely as a source to feed the Facebook habit, many do not contribute to the forums.  I think it is well known that  Facebook is having a negative effect on specialist forums in general.

Each to their own.

Each to their own. But I'll still use every resource available to gather evidenced fact for my website, especially compared to the utter tosh that gets broadcast on websites like Wikipedia and some of the books that have been published based on thought.

There is much evidence still out there which has still yet to see the public light of day, and needs coaxing out into the daylight 😉

My site (which needs updating) is here
https://sites.google.com/view/alvis-stalwart-hmlc-files

[Mk3iain]

2 minutes ago, Mark Ellis said:

Each to their own. But I'll still use every resource available to gather evidenced fact for my website, especially compared to the utter tosh that gets broadcast on websites like Wikipedia and some of the books that have been published based on thought.

There is much evidence still out there which has still yet to see the public light of day, and needs coaxing out into the daylight 😉

My site (which needs updating) is here
https://sites.google.com/view/alvis-stalwart-hmlc-files

Fantastic work and open to all !

Needs a section on Eager Beavers though  😁

[Mark Ellis]

20 minutes ago, Mk3iain said:

Fantastic work and open to all !

Needs a section on Eager Beavers though  😁

I've spent 3 years wasting time with Kustartilleri officer who think the KA is a secret cult that no body knows about, with equipment that no other organisation in the world had. Still lots to be prised out of those &*&*s, who have clearly never heard of Russian and American spy planes and satellites 🙄 

I now have contact with people who were involved with the Italian Stalwart in 1963, and Sri Lanka in the 80s. 

I'm struggling to get owners of Hydra cooking stands to give me the missing dimensions, despite some of them wanting the other dimensions so that they can make their own Hydra stands

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wdp7DGbzTXBPC3LP9MU-DObv0wXjwwPT/view?usp=sharing

 

But most of the help has come through Facebook 😉

If you have any Eager Bever manuals, than ping them this way

[Mk3iain]

2 hours ago, Mark Ellis said:

I've spent 3 years wasting time with Kustartilleri officer who think the KA is a secret cult that no body knows about, with equipment that no other organisation in the world had. Still lots to be prised out of those &*&*s, who have clearly never heard of Russian and American spy planes and satellites 🙄 

I now have contact with people who were involved with the Italian Stalwart in 1963, and Sri Lanka in the 80s. 

I'm struggling to get owners of Hydra cooking stands to give me the missing dimensions, despite some of them wanting the other dimensions so that they can make their own Hydra stands

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wdp7DGbzTXBPC3LP9MU-DObv0wXjwwPT/view?usp=sharing

 

But most of the help has come through Facebook 😉

If you have any Eager Bever manuals, than ping them this way

 

I have some EB manuals in paper form but Croc who used to be on here scanned them and put them on Facebook. 🥴

 

My bad, I forgot that Steve (Croc) did copy the scanned EB manuals to me. Thanks Steve !

I'll send them to you tomorrow along with other stuff.

Edited April 6 by Mk3iain

[Mark Ellis]

4 hours ago, Mk3iain said:

I have some EB manuals in paper form but Croc who used to be on here scanned them and put them on Facebook. 🥴

My bad, I forgot that Steve (Croc) did copy the scanned EB manuals to me. Thanks Steve !

I'll send them to you tomorrow along with other stuff.

I'll look forward to that.

Mean whilst, here's a different view of the Stalwart Instruction hull. It's a Mark 1 hull

[Mark Ellis]

@Mk3iain Beavering away, thanks

https://sites.google.com/view/alvis-stalwart-hmlc-files/other-manufacturers/eager-bever-forklift?

[wally dugan]

This is interesting over the years the museum of army transport collected a number of instructional vehicles a eager beaver champ jeep and a few motorcycles plus a range of engine's   were there photographs NO why because  most were only displayed for a short time my idea was one day to have a space given over to them. The only photograph l know of is on this forum when the museum closed there is a shot of some of the engines in the storage area l have been looking for a photograph taken at Bovington at the RAC  center among the instructional vehicles which has up to now not turned up Finally the subject though interesting l think not many people would bother taking pictures of these items

Edited April 7 by wally dugan

[fv1609]

I've got some colourful pictures of sectioned Ferrets that I took at the D&M School Bovington about 30 years ago. I'll see if I can find them.

[david1212]

Regarding Facebook anything on there might as well be on Mars.

Given their past history I will not give them my personal details, copy of birth certificate etc.

[Mark Ellis]

31 minutes ago, david1212 said:

Regarding Facebook anything on there might as well be on Mars.

Given their past history I will not give them my personal details, copy of birth certificate etc.

😲

I'm intrigued. Why do you think Facebook wants a copy of your birth certificate?

[fv1609]

A Fox & two Ferrets I saw at D&M School Bovington 1994.

[fv1609]

These instructional artefacts can have intriguing colour schemes. They should be painted according to a strict protocol that I found in a driver training manual.

[Mark Ellis]

3 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

These instructional artefacts can have intriguing colour schemes. They should be painted according to a strict protocol that I found in a driver training manual.

 

Apparently, this was RMCS Shrivenham. I guess they were above all that 

[Le Prof]

20 hours ago, wally dugan said:

This is interesting over the years the museum of army transport collected a number of instructional vehicles a eager beaver champ jeep and a few motorcycles plus a range of engine's   were there photographs NO why because  most were only displayed for a short time my idea was one day to have a space given over to them. The only photograph l know of is on this forum when the museum closed there is a shot of some of the engines in the storage area l have been looking for a photograph taken at Bovington at the RAC  center among the instructional vehicles which has up to now not turned up Finally the subject though interesting l think not many people would bother taking pictures of these items

Hi Wally,

I remember visiting with you once at Beverly and seeing the sectioned jeep in storage there. If I remember, it was an early (pre March 1942) Willys MB, with lifting rings on the front (I didn't see the back).

I really coveted that vehicle (-:

I wonder where it is now.

Thanks for the memory, Best Regards, Adrian

Edited April 8 by Le Prof

[wally dugan]

ADRIAN l had a  young lady come to work in the workshops before going on to university  with the plan to join the REME after doing a degree in engineering l gave her the project of overhauling the jeep and she did a first class job freeing off all the parts and colour coding the parts when she finished l the helped her power the the parts showing the firing order by stripping spark plugs and fitting small bulbs which light up when the engine rotated  the drive train all could rotate and four wheel could be engaged all powered through a transformer  

[Mark Ellis]

2 hours ago, wally dugan said:

ADRIAN l had a  young lady come to work in the workshops before going on to university  with the plan to join the REME after doing a degree in engineering l gave her the project of overhauling the jeep and she did a first class job freeing off all the parts and colour coding the parts when she finished l the helped her power the the parts showing the firing order by stripping spark plugs and fitting small bulbs which light up when the engine rotated  the drive train all could rotate and four wheel could be engaged all powered through a transformer  

I'm sure that the Saracen hull at ASMT Leconfield did something. There was a battery connected to it, but I can't remember what 

[64EK26]

Hi

This was at Shrivenham some time ago (apologies for the bad photos) , Don't know much about tanks but I think it is a leopard tank.

Cheers

Richard

[david1212]

On 4/7/2024 at 8:02 PM, Mark Ellis said:

😲

I'm intrigued. Why do you think Facebook wants a copy of your birth certificate?

Proof of ID, age I presume. I can't recall if they also wanted something with address. I did not send so they closed / locked the account . I requested my record but they never sent.

For some Facebook pages at the the latest few entries can be viewed without  logging in. For others none. The latter total understandable if individual but not if a business, museum or similar.

Edited April 14 by david1212

[Mark Ellis]

5 minutes ago, david1212 said:

Proof of ID, age I presume. I can't recall if they also wanted something with address. I did not send so they closed / locked the account . I requested my record but they never sent.

For some Facebook pages at the the latest few entries can be viewed without  logging in. For others none. The latter total understandable if individual but not if a business, museum or similar.

I don't recall ever being asked for proof of ID, except for the phone number. But that was under the old Facebook, not the current owner - Meta.
Some groups are private because we get bombarded with spam posts, and applications from spammers 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/110456768992136 

[david1212]

29 minutes ago, Mark Ellis said:

I don't recall ever being asked for proof of ID, except for the phone number. But that was under the old Facebook, not the current owner - Meta.
Some groups are private because we get bombarded with spam posts, and applications from spammers 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/110456768992136 

My experience was several years ago, maybe 2016 - 2017.

Based on what numerous people have said those who joined further back in time and have not attracted the attention of human or AI moderators have not subsequently been asked for ID.

[Mark Ellis]

On 4/7/2024 at 10:52 PM, fv1609 said:

These instructional artefacts can have intriguing colour schemes. They should be painted according to a strict protocol that I found in a driver training manual.

 

@fv1609 Hi Clive,

Is there a colour code for engine, gearbox, transfer box, drive shafts, wheel stations, etc, please?

And also, any RGB / Hex codes for the colours. Many thanks