LCT - LST - Landing Craft

[mike65]

Would appear from this site the LST HMS Stalker is currently being dismantled.

 

http://www.transportbritain.co.uk/risklist.html

 

Sadly looks like this one is a goner.

 

However have found the registered address for Tipner Regen Co Ltd

 

Plymouth City Airport

Crownhill

Plymouth

Devon

PL6 8BW

 

Co House Reg No 4849860

 

 

 

 

Mike

[amamoz]

Would appear from this site the LST HMS Stalker is currently being dismantled.

 

http://www.transportbritain.co.uk/risklist.html

 

Sadly looks like this one is a goner.

 

However have found the registered address for Tipner Regen Co Ltd

 

Plymouth City Airport

Crownhill

Plymouth

Devon

PL6 8BW

 

Co House Reg No 4849860

 

 

 

 

Mike

 

Yes, also saw that one... the only way forward seems to be to collect their artefacts (anker, ramp, engines, propellors, ...) but I would need some local support in Portsmouth, who could step in for me... distance being a hurdle...

[amamoz]

As by miracle, I made it very close to the LST yestersay, don't ask me how.

Please see pictures attached.

Yes, dismantling has begun (sad to see) - in fact, an asbestos-removal team was onsite yesterday.

I'm still hoping to get some artefacts, but what an impressive view it would be to have something like this next to a potential future museum...

[ferrettkitt]

I'm still hoping to get some artefacts, but what an impressive view it would be to have something like this next to a potential future museum...

 

I'm sad to say that most museums don't share that view they see them as a colossal drain on there funds. And as we know at this point in time the country has no money.

[ferrettkitt]

I'm sad to say that most museums don't share that view they see them as a colossal drain on there funds. And as we know at this point in time the country has no money.

 

Crying shame really you would have thought that we had learned a lesson with the passing of some of the larger wartime ships that have been passed to other countries.

[mike65]

Not only would it look good next to a museum, you could actually turm it into a museum on its own.

Good luck with obtaining some artifacts from it.

 

Being as there is asbestos to strip out they will have to complete this pior to any other stripping out. Oil and fluids, wiring etc will most likly require full removal before it can be cut up.

 

This will take sometime, no idea how long though.

However you will still have to work quickly to be sure of acquiring anything.

 

Did you get a chance to speak to any of the workforce?

 

Mike

[amamoz]

Not only would it look good next to a museum, you could actually turm it into a museum on its own.

 

Did you get a chance to speak to any of the workforce?

 

Mike

 

Hi Mike,

 

Yes, I spoke to one of the asbestos-removal guys. Totally impossible to walk on the vessel because of HSSE regulations. He himself couldn't give me more details, he also did not know where all the "scrapped" metal would go to...

[mike65]

HSSE regs would prevent you going on whilst asbestos is being removed.

They are extremely rigid when it comes to asbestos during removal and rightly so.

However once it has gone it should be left in a safe condition to allow the rest of the strip out to proceed by other specialist teams.

At this stage you might be able to get onboard. He did not mention when the asbestos clear out was due to finish?

 

Mike

[amamoz]

HSSE regs would prevent you going on whilst asbestos is being removed.

They are extremely rigid when it comes to asbestos during removal and rightly so.

However once it has gone it should be left in a safe condition to allow the rest of the strip out to proceed by other specialist teams.

At this stage you might be able to get onboard. He did not mention when the asbestos clear out was due to finish?

 

Mike

 

No dates were mentioned...

Edited August 16, 2010 by amamoz

[Shakey985]

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[amamoz]

Yes, I saw that one. Have been calling them and leaving messages since last week. So far no replies yet.

[utt61]

Would appear from this site the LST HMS Stalker is currently being dismantled.

 

http://www.transportbritain.co.uk/risklist.html

 

Sadly looks like this one is a goner.

 

Mike

 

My goodness that list makes depressing reading! Don't we save any historic ships in this country? (Well, yes, of course I know we do, but with all the millions being pumped into useless things - like the Olympics - what a shame that we can't save some of these irreplacable vessels). I well remember HMS Bronington, and didn't actually know any "Ton" class vessels still existed.

 

The earlier talk of the problems of raising HMS Landfall brought to mind a book I read some years ago, which was fascinating and I can recommend to anyone wanting to learn more about the problems of marine salvage. The book is "Resurrection: Salvaging the Battle Fleet at Pearl Harbor" by Daniel Madsen, and is an account of the task of recovering the sunken US ships and re-opening Pearl Harbor after the 'day of infamy'. Very interesting, and still available via Amazon and no doubt others.

[amamoz]

Got finally hold of the LST owner today. Indeed, the entire LST will be scrapped... no way of saving her, not even a part of it... So farewell to the last LST in Europe.

 

We still have the LCT, but according to the owner, it won't be easy to save her neither, but I'll focus on this one now...

 

Anybody has an easy way of contacting Richard Branson? Might he be of any help?

[mike65]

Got finally hold of the LST owner today. Indeed, the entire LST will be scrapped... no way of saving her, not even a part of it... So farewell to the last LST in Europe.

 

We still have the LCT, but according to the owner, it won't be easy to save her neither, but I'll focus on this one now...

 

Anybody has an easy way of contacting Richard Branson? Might he be of any help?

 

I bet you could get some bits if they wanted to let you. Don't need to be anything big, makers plates, wheel, instruments (assuming they are still in it).

Sometimes I wonder if anybody (other than a small minority) are actually interested in preserving our recent history, unless it is something glamorous.

 

Sadly don't have Richard Bransons number.

At least he has been known to get a few things done.

If I remember correctly he bailled Sally B out a few years back when EEC aviation insurance rule ment it would be grounded as it would have needed the same cover as a commercial airliner.

 

Mike

[David I]

Is there any further news on LCT 7074. Is there still hope of it being saved, or is it lost?

 

Dave.

[Panzer nut]

I thought the LST in Plymouth was the Le foche?

 

But never mind...

 

When I visited the Warship trust in Birkenhead many moons ago I asked about the LCT which at the time was mored along side the lighthouse boat.

I was given the following information.

 

It had been previously used as a night club and the owner in his wisdom had cut out the bulkheads along one side to make a wine cellar. As a consequence rain water runs off the deck into the bulheads and along to the engine room filling it with water.

 

Every couple of months a diver was sent down with a pump to pump the water out. You can still see on the upper deck where they have cut away the walls to the AA positions.

 

I asked about it being renovated and was told that if it went into the shipyard to be drydocked to carry out the renovation that it would not come out because of the asbestos contained within.

 

Eons ago at Bovington there was talk about them getting a LCT to go where the new hall is now. Sadly it never transpired.

 

I supose if you got it out of the water, removed the asbestos then sectioned it it could be moved to a land location and rebuilt. This is the only way I can see this being preserved, as I doubt any one could get the money together to make her sail again.

 

Ta

Jon

Edited February 18, 2011 by Panzer nut
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[Longshaor]

Hi,

 

I'm looking for the weight of an LCT (Mk III). Anyone have an idea where I can find this information?

 

Thanks

 

What you want to find are the LCT Mk III Docking Plans, these will give the loading points for the hull and what they're stressed for. The National Maritime Museum in Greenwich should have these.

[Benji]

In that case I stand corrected Adrian , that's what was stated on the thread and not contradicted at the time.

 

There are two in the US. LST 325 in completely restored and used every summer. It is moored on the Ohio River in Evansville, Indiana.

 

LST 393 is owned by the Great Lakes Naval Memorial and Museum in Muskegon, Michigan and has been in the process of being restored for about six years. I have seen both of them and been aboard both of them. They are both in their WW 2 dress.

 

I served aboard an LST in the 1960s and I donated an empty 40MM shell casing with a dummy projectile from my ship for the 40MM AA guns on the 393.

 

Benji

[paulbrook]

What you want to find are the LCT Mk III Docking Plans, these will give the loading points for the hull and what they're stressed for. The National Maritime Museum in Greenwich should have these.

 

Or try Port and maritime Wing of the Defence School of Logistics (based in Marchwood which, incedentally, would be a grand place for an LCT to end up).

 

I know of a number of navigators and marine engineers with LCT experience (the Army used them right into the 1970s) so if I can be of assistance I would be glad to help.

[David I]

Hi All, any further news on LCT 7074? Are things progressing quietly to save her, or is it a lost cause?

 

Shame if something as significant is lost, but I suppose it is very big, and you couldnt exactly take it to MV shows!

 

If anyone was doing it A&P Group Ltd on the Tyne are the modern owners of Hawthorn Leslie, and are ship repairers. They also have a facility at Falmouth, so further D Day connections?

 

 

I have no connection with the ship or the compay. Id just love to see it saved. I know its pure fantasy, but imagine being able to take something like this to Arromaces.

 

 

Dave.

[ploughman]

Would this be the sort of LCT LST you mean on the beaches?

http://www.stichting162.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/D-day-landing.jpg

[David I]

Hi Bryan. The ships in the picture are LCTs (landing Craft Tank) and are like LCT 7074 which is currently semi submerged at Birkinhead (as far as I know).

 

LCT 7074 is the sole survivor of its type to have actually taken part in the D DAY landings, having landed British Tanks on Gold Beach on the Afternoon of 6th June.

 

Postwar it was a nightclub in Liverpool, and then part of a maratime museum collection which folded. It was still aflot until then, but has since sunk,thankfully in very shallow water.

 

My guess is that it wll end up being scrapped, but its a sad fate for a D Day survivor thats lasted another 69 years since.

 

I cant help thinking that if it was in the States it would have been preserved by now.

 

As next year is a big anniversary, perhaps something might happen, but I suppose its not like taking on a Jeep, or even a tank.

 

Dave.

[Hoseman]

If this is the one I think it is she is well gone!! Used to drive past her all the time semi submerged in the dock and now dissapeared...I THINK!!! Not seen her for a while!! Which side if the water is she on incase Im thinking of another vessel? Liverpool side or Birkenhead?

I do a lot of work along side HMS Plytmouth too, another Warships leftover, she is out to tender for scrapping tho!!

[H1HU]

I came across these two photos on MLU forum. Not sure exactly when these were taken but they look as though they were not taken at the same time due to the amount of water in the cargo area in both pictures. Top of the ramp in photo one proud of the water, in photo 2 level with the water. The pictures were posted in 2011. Unfotunately photo two seems to show her settled completely on the bottom of the dock. In photo one interestingly she is stern down which gives the impression that the flooding had occured in the stern and not the cargo deck, as it is not totally flooded in picture one. There was talk that the rear of the vessel was flooding due to part of the upper structure having been removed allowing water to get in and flood the engine room, or is there something more serious at the stern. Propshaft glands could be to blame for a slow but constant flow of water which would then take its toll. Certainly up until a few years ago she was pumped out on a regular basis which obviously kept her afloat but when that stopped down she went sometime between 2006 and when the photos taken prior to 2011.

 

Only a survey by a diver would assertain that it was leaking glands and the removal of some of the upper structure that caused the flooding and not something more serious below the water line. Unfortunately it will be very costly with floating cranes required and a salvage company to do the work. Not sure if the Mersey Docks and Harbour Companies' floating crane GPS Appollo could help as the displacement weight of the vessel is estimated at 640 tons. All food for thought but not sure how amenable Peel would be to such an operation, though it would save them bringing in a company to scrap her.

 

 

H1HU

[Hoseman]

I came across these two photos on MLU forum. Not sure exactly when these were taken but they look as though they were not taken at the same time due to the amount of water in the cargo area in both pictures. Top of the ramp in photo one proud of the water, in photo 2 level with the water. The pictures were posted in 2011. Unfotunately photo two seems to show her settled completely on the bottom of the dock. In photo one interestingly she is stern down which gives the impression that the flooding had occured in the stern and not the cargo deck, as it is not totally flooded in picture one. There was talk that the rear of the vessel was flooding due to part of the upper structure having been removed allowing water to get in and flood the engine room, or is there something more serious at the stern. Propshaft glands could be to blame for a slow but constant flow of water which would then take its toll. Certainly up until a few years ago she was pumped out on a regular basis which obviously kept her afloat but when that stopped down she went sometime between 2006 and when the photos taken prior to 2011.

 

Only a survey by a diver would assertain that it was leaking glands and the removal of some of the upper structure that caused the flooding and not something more serious below the water line. Unfortunately it will be very costly with floating cranes required and a salvage company to do the work. Not sure if the Mersey Docks and Harbour Companies' floating crane GPS Appollo could help as the displacement weight of the vessel is estimated at 640 tons. All food for thought but not sure how amenable Peel would be to such an operation, though it would save them bringing in a company to scrap her.

 

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H1HU

 

Yep, Birkenhead Docks! Thoes are the Liverpool Ferries ("Ferry across the Mersey" etc) in the background.

Dont think she is there anymore! havent seen her and I go past there all day long. Will have a propper investigate tomorrow if I think on. She is pictured other side of the dock from HMS Plymouth!!!!