centi521 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 omg! why i never have so much luck `? ^^ i wan't too =( looks like a lot work but for a m10 ? no problem wan't restore a tank too but my father always say:" do you have money and the time?" but this month came a new tank and this one we must paint new but that's not resto ^^ wan't see alot pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Lovely to see the photos, thanks to both of you guys for taking the time to upload them. Couple of questions: Is that 17pdr at home in the Turret, or was it just put in for display? I wondered as the breach counter weight is missing and it looked a little high, having said that I've never seen one without the Mantlet before. Is it going to be restored as a 'c' or as a 76mm, I guess it depends on weather the owner wants to depict Normandy or late 44/45, when was the first up gunned M10 issued in NW Europe? The questions far outweigh the question marks; nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Amazing you were able to buy it. Looking forward to new pics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 Lovely to see the photos, thanks to both of you guys for taking the time to upload them.Couple of questions: Is that 17pdr at home in the Turret, or was it just put in for display? I wondered as the breach counter weight is missing and it looked a little high, having said that I've never seen one without the Mantlet before. Is it going to be restored as a 'c' or as a 76mm, I guess it depends on weather the owner wants to depict Normandy or late 44/45, when was the first up gunned M10 issued in NW Europe? The questions far outweigh the question marks; nevermind. The 17 pdr had just been welded in for display but the mantlet aquired for the restoration is also a 17 pdr one so it will stay as is. 3" guns aren't exactly easy to find either! When you say ''breech counterweight'', what do you mean? The first M10 17 pdr was delivered in May 44 with 10 regiments being equipped by July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I guess it depends on weather the owner wants to depict Normandy or late 44/45, when was the first up gunned M10 issued in NW Europe? The M10c 17pdr SPG was in service on D.Day, three RA regiments landed on D.Day 20th,suporting 3rd infantry div, 62nd - I corps and 73rd -XXX corps followed by a further eight Anti tank regiments by 1-8-44, including one Polish and two Canadian CRA units. all will have had a mixture of 17pdr M10 and 3inch gun M10 along with towed 17pdr. Any sign of a serial number on the M10 Adrian? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 Steve, the serial number is 1310. No sign of a registration number unfortunately, it looks like it was blasted before going in the playground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Adrian Thanks for that, as usual I mixed up serial and registration numbers- in the M10 where is the serial no. stamped. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 Steve, on the towing eyes as many M4 versions. Front and rear tallied so she still has her original diff housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 The M10c 17pdr SPG was in service on D.Day I didn't realise that Steve, thanks for the info - any recomended reading on the M10 in British Army service? Adrian, I was refering to the hefty steel block that you often see clamped just behind the muzzle brake on the M10c in period photos. I've always assumed that's what it was but I don't think I've ever seen it written down anywere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 Alastair, aah, when you said breech counterweight I assumed you were talking about the breech end! Yes, the muzzle weight is missing though I had aquired one so it went with the project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Ajmac any recomended reading on the M10 in British Army service? Not really there is some stuff in the old osprey-vanguard "Allied Tank Destroyers" by Brian Perrett, but not recommended as a purchase assuming it is still available, the information in my post came from notes from the early 1990s of M10 service by Richard Harley in AFV news, which he direct sourced from PRO and Bovington files. There is still a lack of good specific books on many British WW2 tanks. "Sherman" by Hunnicutt gives brief but probably the best coverage (apart from getting involved with the real thing) of the conversion of 3inch to 17pdr M10, but like most Hunnicutt books does not give service record as such. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Adrian Barrell on the towing eyes as many M4 versions Thanks for that, the two M10s in front of middle fell at Warcop still had what could have been a Speed plate but had rotted through and was impossible to read. If I'd known about the towing eyes I might have been able to get the numbers before they went for scrap. Both were later production models. I recall a photo in Wheels and Tracks of a Vee turreted M10 in Pounds yard -I suppose your M10 was possibly from there. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor mark 4B Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Wrong place I suspect, but I sent you a PM Steve, I think I did it correctly. I am who you think I am!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 As an illustration of what we had to work with, here are a selection of pictures from Tony showing parts we made and patterns we had. The bulkead covers, floor sections and stowage boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 The cutout sections of the upper engine bulkhead and the lower rear plate, the latter in a before and after. This plate is 1" thick with a 45 degree bend in it and was one of the few parts we had to buy in. Also visible is the towing pintle bracket. The spectacle cutout is for the exhaust elbow/silencer casting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 Oil tanks, showing the internal construction of baffles and flow diverters and fuel tank componants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 The new rear engine mount and some of the assorted items on the rear plate, all of which had to be made from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Eventually we finished all we were going to do and it was time to say goodbye (for now....). The Ram mentioned in the other thread was being delivered on the lorry so it was a simple matter of swapping them over. I use my M75 for jobs like this as it has a torque converter and a neutral steer facility, both of which make positioning accurately a lot easier. It weighs 18 tons and with rubber padded tracks, it copes with dead tanks nicely! Edited January 17, 2010 by Adrian Barrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 Normally this would be the end of the story as far as our input goes, however, the owner has asked me to continue the thread showing the rest of the restoration to completion. This is being undertaken by Carl Brown and I will post more pictures soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Thanks for posting these Adrian, they are fascinating. The M75 looks like a useful tool too! I saw it at Kemble a few years ago and was surprised how tall it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Scott Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Adrian , Its very intresting to see your photographs of the new oil tanks that you made for the M10 ,because you never see any of the internals once they are welded shut , you just dont realise whats involved at times in these restorations , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 Grasshopper, yes the M75 is quite large, it has 'presence'! Adrian, the photos all help justify the cost.....:cool2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joris Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Wow, only just seen this thread after being AWOL from the forum for about a week. Absolutely brilliant and will be following this from now on!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Wow:shocked: An excellent thread, its great to see how these range wrecks are bought back to life with lots of welding and fabrication. I just hope one day I may learn some of the skills to restore something alot smaller and alot less tracked:cool2:(WC52). Do you know any of the service history of the M10? Thanks for another great thread, Luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex van de Wetering Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Adrian, excellent work on the M10 and the RAM as well. Thanks for pointing towards a picture of your Cromwell, somehow I must have missed before. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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