agripper Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Had a thought about pooling information and manuals, I have been trying to get the manuals for the alvis sabre, but it occured to me that we dont ned to by a full set of manuals each but if we all agreed to sahre what we have we could build up a librey of manuals and then you get the use of all with only a small out lay. I joind the Alvis fighting vehicle society thinking they had the manuals I needed only to find they have very little and for the money I parted with got very little other than a few advertising pamphlets. How do others feel about this, you could scan each manuals and then share and share alike , or are there any problems I have missed. :idea: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Problem with scanning manuals for the likes of the CVR(T) is their size & the amount of A3 foldouts.. then you have to search through what you need to print off. You can't beat having the proper manuals for your vehicles that you can flick through to find the info needed for the job.. I've got most of my manuals from http://www.mark.clubaustin.co.uk/ & he always offers a first class service.. There are disks with scans out there but they tend to be bad copies.. To scan all my CVR(T) manuals would take days... not that I have a CVR(T).... Yet:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 do you get commission Lee as you're always recommending him! I agree with agripper, there is certainly a case for doing things cheaper. I asked the same myself re Fox manuals but of course the problem is those who have paid money for manuals won't give them away for nothing, and why should they? In recognition of that I offered to pay a good contribution for borrowing a set to copy myself but no one would help and I ended up having to buy the full set for £125 :cry:. On that basis why should I now share for free? :pfrt: I do think however there is certainly the case for developing a much cheaper alternative to the supplier that's always suggested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84KB11 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I have quite a few, but never seem to find the time to scan them in. I have converted the CVRT Scorpion user manual to PDF is anyone needs a copy. Will try and find time to scan some others, and post the titles here when I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Lee is right, you can't beat the paper copy. You have to remember when pricing up manuals that most of these CVRT manuals are very thick, I have some parts lists that are well over 500 pages. It takes a lot of time to sit and copy 500 pages when there's an A3 fold out every couple of sheets. How much would it cost you to do that at a local photocopying place? Quite a lot at 10p a sheet. On top of this, you have to way up the costs of not having the manuals. What's the cost of putting the wrong oil in the brakes? Lee knows how much it costs to sort that on a Fox! What about if you had an accident, and ran someone over? £125 seems cheap then! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papav66 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 The MVT have built up a library for members and just charge for copying, I've not used the service myself but here is the link: http://www.mvt.org.uk/library_files/library.htm then click on Library Contents I have scanned an Austin K9 manual if someone needs one and can email pdf version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Lee knows how much it costs to sort that on a Fox! Chris Not my mistake BTW.. previous owner & I had to replace every seal in the calipers, new master clyinder & servo, all new brake lines... cost a fortune.. Now if the owner had spent £40 quid on a manual:coffee: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 do you get commission Lee as you're always recommending him! Nope, just that I have used him for 90% of my manuals & have always had them within delivered a couple of days, recent lot was the manuals for my 25pdr, very good service so have no problem recommending him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I ended up having to buy the full set for £125 I don't know how many pages & documents that was, but I paid a similar amount to the MOD for all the AESPs for the Wolf. Even these are photocopies, there isn't a stack of printed documents, they are printed to order. In service the move seems to be paperless with documents accessed through the military intranet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I don't know how many pages & documents that was, but I paid a similar amount to the MOD for all the AESPs for the Wolf. Even these are photocopies, there isn't a stack of printed documents, they are printed to order. In service the move seems to be paperless with documents accessed through the military intranet. Over 20 years ago, the army was trying to introduce microfische instead of "hard copy" EMER's and AESP's. There is nothing better than having the manual in front of you when working on some piece of equipment. There were hand held viewers available to take out in the field, but they were rather pathetic. Copies could be printed off microfische, but not as good as hard copy manuals. Like Clive says, a lot of EMER's, etc. were issued in a photocopy form with rather vague photo illustrations, as he has found out. The reason that they wanted to introduce microfische was that it made amending, a cheaper and more convenient method. Instead of sending out a pile of new pages to replace those being amended, a replacement fische would be produced and the preceding one would be destroyed. Sounds simple, but not practical at the sharp end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 The reason that they wanted to introduce microfische was that it made amending, a cheaper and more convenient method. Instead of sending out a pile of new pages to replace those being amended, a replacement fische would be produced and the preceding one would be destroyed. Sounds simple, but not practical at the sharp end. Yes even when you order microfiche documents, they are processed to order, but at least they will be up to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topdog Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I have a Ferret manual, original and 1st gen copy. I will lend out the copy if folks want it. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiketheBike Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) I have a few Ferret manuals, both electronic and hard copy. I use the paper copy to browse, then print out the relevant ones when doing the work so I do not get the originals dirty. happy to share. Paperless offices were a fine idea, but will never work....how can you read the manual in the WC on your laptop!!!! Edited February 9, 2009 by MiketheBike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Paperless offices were a fine idea, but will never work....how can you read the manual in the WC on your laptop!!!! You mean to say you haven't got one of these.. HMVF HQ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisg Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 You mean to say you haven't got one of these.. HMVF HQ... Jacks office?:rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Just logging off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Just logging off! Your turn to do the night shift & keep it warm for Jack.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elsdon Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Mmm, looks like a good place for a hardware dump, followed by a software wipe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Think its backed up at the moment... too much in the 'in tray' I'll let him sort it in the morning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elsdon Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Getting away from toilet humour for a moment! What do people use for copying manuals to electronic format, what would you recommend? I have parts manuals, driver manual etc for Humber Pig, and was considering scanning them, i would have no problem doing this if it was going into an HMVF library.....why dont you charge a small fee to access it, like a library and to regulate the access, and can you watermark electronically, because you can bet your ass it would turn up on e-bay on disk for 20 quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 A lot of the modern stuff is already out there on disk, I still prefere to spend a bit extra & get a hard copy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I have parts manuals, driver manual etc for Humber Pig, and was considering scanning them, i would have no problem doing this if it was going into an HMVF library.....why dont you charge a small fee to access it, like a library and to regulate the access, and can you watermark electronically, because you can bet your ass it would turn up on e-bay on disk for 20 quid. also remember that the modern stuff is still: a) security classifed and strictly speaking should not be out there at all, more realistically however, b) within its crown copyright period Those producing manuals commercially could be prosecuted, even more so if they try to claim copyright for themselves. I thought that was why Jack restricted the manuals section on the forum to WW2 only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 also remember that the modern stuff is still: a) security classifed and strictly speaking should not be out there at all, more realistically however, b) within its crown copyright period Those producing manuals commercially could be prosecuted, even more so if they try to claim copyright for themselves. You had better do the right thing & not but them then John:sweat: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 You had better do the right thing & not but them then John:sweat: ah the joys of the law, we get very worked up about preaching observance of the VCR on this forum but copyright :yawn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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