Tony B Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Anyone any idea of the cost of new shoes for a WC51? I've found one shoe slightly contaminated and being a paranoid want to change the shoes on the front axle. Wondering wether the cost of relining would be about the same as new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Joris Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 I called around a few months back and was quoted € 50 a shoe at Wildenberg (http://www.wildenbergparts.com/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted September 4, 2007 Author Share Posted September 4, 2007 Thanks Joris, difference is the Netherlands have sensible prices for bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 commander Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 What you think E50 for one shoe is cheap that works out at E200 for each axle or in real money £140.oo. Commander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted September 5, 2007 Author Share Posted September 5, 2007 Ouch, I was thinking per axle. Still its a lot cheaper than one crunched Dodge, a large fine, possibly insurance payouts and heaps of points on my licence. I was advised on 'another place' to get a soft lining if I go that route. Any comment's please? More opinion more knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bodge Deep Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 One of the sides on mine were contaminated with axle oil from a conked out oil seal that had been running into the drum & slathering everything up. Once i'd stopped laughing at the price i went out back to the shed and took them off got the blowtorch and spent some time over them and burned the oil out of the shoes (which were like new just oily). Warm them up enough and the oil makes its way out. (depends on whether you've got bonded or riveted shoes (mine were riveted). About 15/20 mins a shoe and careful use of heat, brake cleaner mask & wire brush to rough 'em up a bit to take the glaze off and back on... fine and still on now... stops on a sixpence.... whatever that is! :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Mark Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Jack tells me that a sixpence is double a thruppenny bit :dunno: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bodge Deep Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 met a girl once with 2 thupenny bits... nice they were, :computerterror: too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted September 5, 2007 Author Share Posted September 5, 2007 I see the conversation is going in its usual direction. For you lot who aren't old enough to which side of razor blade to use, a sixpence, 2 1/2p was just over the size of a 1 p piece. I remeber when I twere lad, you couldn't carry si peeny worth of chips 'ome from shop. I have throughly cleaned evrything and she does stop, also changed fluid, the old stuff was a bit murky. Still I'm papranoid about brakes so will explore the idea of a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bodge Deep Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Master cyl looks like the next port of call... seals renewed etc... a ballache but if your still not getting anything like safe braking... Although the'yre pretty crap at the best of times to stop unless you go the power wagon route & fit the disc conversion kits ... but for something that struggles to get over 50mph it seems a touch of overkill :dunno: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Bodger Baz Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Stick contaminated brake shoes in the dish washer!, brings them up a treat!!! i have done it sevral times and they always come up a treat and work fine :-D Just dont let the other half catch yer!!! :naughty: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 commander Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 You have set them up correctly I assume because Dodge brakes are a bit of a bugger to set up correctly when you had the drum off was both sides of the slave caliper working and did they pivot ok these are all the things I've had go wrong with mine Commander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mazungumagic Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Tony, The other option might be to check with John Bizal at Midwest Military to see if he has any replacement brake linings and go the old fashioned route of rivetting them onto your shoes. Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 The brakes have all been set up correctly. Using a feeler gauge seemed an odd thing, till you do it. then its perfectly logical. I changed the fluid as a matter of course, been there 5 years. Retaing pins have no apparent wear on them and cam adjusters are all free. No obvious leacks from any cylinder. Master is a sod to get at, I belive that some plumbing fittings have the same thread, so I'm going hunting for a plastic blank I can modify to fit the pressure bleed on. Hopefully round 3 on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 GoranWC51 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Hi Tony, I say, go the re-alignment route. Just remove the shoes and bring them to a brake shop. I had shoes (8 of them) re-aligned for a very reasonable sum. Good luck. BTW I agree with you, I also want my brakes on my 1944 WC51 to be perfect. As always, Goran Sweden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 Hi Goran, a number of us seem to be back and for across the forums at the moment. To true not going is an embarresment, not stopping is a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 commander Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 The problem I had was not leaking cylinders but one of the two pistons of the cylinder sticking on three of the wheels just a thought Commander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Simon Daymond Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I went to a place called 'Saftek' near me, £10 per shoe. I had to get a Bedford OB ( bus) relined and thought it would be a real drama, not at all, the did them overnight, and the bus passed a PSV test, the relined axle was that good it locked the rollers on the the rolling road on both the service and parking brake test. So I wouldn't bother with old liners as there are firms out there that will fit better alternatives at really sensible prices. http://www.saftek.co.uk/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 Got an OB :-D Friends of mine at Tantivy run one commercially. 5 years ago Terry was ranting he was going to get rid of the thing as it cost so much, now he's looking for more as it she is booked 6 months in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 The problem I had was not leaking cylinders but one of the two pistons of the cylinder sticking on three of the wheels just a thought Commander Yes I know what you mean. One thing I did was change all the fluid. I'm in the throws of finding another cap for the master cylinder to attach a pressure bleed. An extension to the cylinder would be an assisit on a Dodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Simon Daymond Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Got an OB :-D Friends of mine at Tantivy run one commercially. 5 years ago Terry was ranting he was going to get rid of the thing as it cost so much, now he's looking for more as it she is booked 6 months in advance. yep once people get to know, then they're simply aren't enough days in the year. Looks like a really nice example, was it bought like that, or did you have to do much work to her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hi Phil the restoration bill on the OB was phenomenal. The interior is beautiful, but the old lady does earn her corn.There is only one old chap who drives her, if you go near the driving seat he starts to shake, God help if you touch the steering wheel. One day maybe i'll get the chance to play. :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Tony B Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 Good news, a visit to Plumbase and a series of adaptors ending with the one bigger than 1 inch BSP and it FITS!! A good trick for any intrnal threaded master cylinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 LeeEnfield Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Cheers for that link, Simon, (saftek) Always nice to know, Bedford's will need looking at this winter. :roll: Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Simon Daymond Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 no problem, I notice since last time I visited, they do clutch plates as well. I live only a few miles away from them, so I would gladly intervene if there were any problems if anyone sent their stuff up by carrier etc. It's amazing the things you can get done, it's just finding out who does it that takes the time. I tried to get a Bedford brake master cylinder honed out a couple of years ago, but we'd heard that if the place we went to thought it was for the brakes that they would decline, so we said it was a clutch cylinder (naughty I know) They honed it out and it works beautifully, understandably yet frustrating, is the fact that if in doubt most companies just say 'no'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 abn deuce Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 true and the big word is "LIABILITY" and people habits of getting lawers to make up for personal mistakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anyone any idea of the cost of new shoes for a WC51? I've found one shoe slightly contaminated and being a paranoid want to change the shoes on the front axle. Wondering wether the cost of relining would be about the same as new.
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