Dodge D15T

[LarryH57]

Some 'similar vehicles' from the end of WW2 and the shows I have attended over the last 40 or more years

Armed Germans AFTER WW2 on guard, with Dutch civilians would make an interesting display at an MV show.

A Dodge T212 that has disappeared

I'm not sure of the identity of the Canadian Red Cross vehicle r it colour which I guess is Camo Green G3

A Canadian Otter , showing what British Olive Drab SC.15 looked like in May 1945 

Sadly I had some photos of preserved MV / Water Bowsers, but home computers and scanners, did'nt exist when they were taken

[Le Prof]

That is a nice Dodge T212.

Shame if it's vanished.

 

[Alex van de Wetering]

The T212 is in the private collection of Sindorf in Holland.

 

source: Sindorf / Stichting History Revives - DefensieFotografie

[LarryH57]

And the Dodge T212 looks better in desert colours!

[Pete Ashby]

The top coat on the cab roof had cured sufficiently to permit careful handling although it will probably take another month to cure properly depending on ambient temperature,  which at the moment is decidedly chilly for July.  

The first thing to sort out was just how to lift the roof without ;

a) damaging the paint    b) lift the load exactly square to enable the whole thing to line up with the sockets in the scuttle and the back panel    c) not crush the rain gutters that took weeks of effort to fabricate and repair  and  d) provide sufficient tilt and lateral movement to aid location, it's not a heavy lift but the centre of gravity is very off set towards the rear.

I came up with this idea its a combined lifting frame and spreader beam made from scrap wood to keep the strops from pinching the gutters and to ensure a square lift see below.

Lifting frame/spreader bar, the sponge pads on the ends have a duel purpose they prevent damage to the paintwork and to provide a degree of grip for the frame to prevent it sliding about while manoeuvring the roof into the scuttle and cab back sockets, Oh and there's the added complication of the sealing strip along the bottom edge of the cab roof that has to fit tight flush over the top inch of the cab back...... well there we are then!.

 

The  lift is under way and I'm using light weight rachet straps to hold the frame in place and also using them as lifting strops, this is not recommend for any form of heavy lifting but the roof is under 50kg. 

 I can adjust the straps up tight to reduce the head room for the lift and I'm not fighting with yards of spare heavy duty strop around the hook.   The cover sheet and and an old cushion keep the hoist chains from damaging the paint.

I'm using the adjustable levelling bar attached to the hoist hook that I mentioned and showed a photo of in a previous post  when I was installing the engine and gearbox,  this bit of kit makes any lifting task an awful lot easier.

 

A cover sheet and low tack masking tape protect the paint on the cab back during operations

 

Here the lift is part way through and I have to alter the centre of gravity now to lower the front of the roof into the scuttle sockets this is done by a combination of winding the handle on the load leveller (that's the red bit of kit under the block) to shift the lift centre of gravity forward and very slowly lowering the hoist bit at a time.

 

And as if by magic it now looks like this

 

 

This operation took an afternoon start to finish but it was time well spent as no paint was damaged, nothing got dropped and I didn't get crushed with a dropped load so all in all a good result. 

All that has to be done now is to bolt and screw the whole thing together and fit out the cab with the glass,  the seat back  and all the small bits and pieces, but that's for another day.

Pete

Edited July 6 by Pete Ashby

[LarryH57]

Peter, your previous work on removing and replacing the cab roof is ingenious and may offer a solution to other owners of other types of vehicles. What I find interesting is how they did knock down and rebuilds for export to the front line in war time. I guess they were not too concerned for the paint work.

Do you have the history of this vehicle, as its quite rare in preservation and not the kind of vehicle of use in civi street?

Edited July 9 by LarryH57

[Pete Ashby]

Peter, your previous work on removing and replacing the cab rook is ingenious and may offer a solution to other owners of other vehicles.

Thank you, the spilt cab is a feature that is unique to Canadian manufactured Chrysler Dodges, the US produced version of the cab didn't have this feature they were built as all welded construction and were discontinued when the open cab style was adopted as standard early in WW2.  The method I used here would certainly work for US closed cab types however due to the increased weight of the combined scuttle floor and back panel I'd suggest larger load straps should be considered.

What I find interesting is how they did knock down and rebuilds for export to the front line in war time. I guess they were not too concerned for the paint work.

Agreed  I don't think preventing paint scratches was particularly high on the agenda and of course there was no shortage of man power,  The roof is not particularly heavy,  just awkward in terms of centre of gravity for a lift,  however four blokes could easily lift it into place. 

Do you have the history of this vehicle, as its quite rare in preservation and not the kind of vehicle of use in civi street?

Unfortunately I have no service history other than the build date, contract number and the block of British WD numbers issued for that particular contract.  You are right there are not a huge number of Canadian built Dodges in restoration when compared to the US produced product and even fewer tankers.  These were produced on only two contracts placed by the War Office on Supply Mechanical 2989 (1428 trucks Z5597435 to Z5598863) and Supply Mechanical 6087 (473 trucks Z6087 to Z618871) this particular truck falls towards the end of the first contract.

A large proportion of the tankers that survived war time service seem to have left service relatively early and here in the UK there were several firms who removed the tanks no doubt selling them off to farmers and construction companies and then constructed bodies to house a small Harvey Frost crane and chain block and sold off to garages for light vehicle recovery and this was indeed the fate of this truck.  Consequently it has appeared to have spent most of it civilian life sitting in the back of a garage workshop waiting for the occasional call to duty.  

Here's my truck with the recovery body still in place photo probably taken in the 1980's  ??

 

And here's a couple of tankers with identical conversions in service with a Leicester firm.  You can tell that they are ex tankers by the fuel tank shields still in place the 15cwt GS version didn't have this feature.  The idea was to prevent the tanker crew from standing on, and damaging the fuels tanks while operating and filling the water tank. 

 

 

The comparative scarcity of all models of Canadian Dodge produced trucks I think can be explained by several factors. Firstly overall production numbers were less  when compared to Ford and Chevrolet CMP variants , secondly they are of a much lighter build, essentially being a slightly modified pre war commercial design when compared to their CMP cousins which were grossly over engineered for their projected load capacity however this factor ensured a higher survival rate in both service and civilian operation of the CMPs .  And as I've eluded to during the cab restoration section of this blog Dodge seemed determined to use sheet metal construction methods that were guaranteed to trap water and speed up corrosion.

  As an interesting aside,  I was once told by someone who used to drive the 3 ton trucks in the Dodge range post war that  hauliers,  notably in the market gardening trade and fish delivery to London markets,   liked the ex military Dodge as it had a two speed axel so could cope with a limited amount of unmade road situations but the main plus was that they were much faster on the paved road than almost anything in a comparable load class. This meant  they could get merchandise to the London wholesale markets faster than their competitors thereby getting the better price.

As a result I suspect the already mentioned corrosion issues and the fact that they were flogged to death meant an early trip to the scrap yard when the British commercial vehicle market started to get its post war act together and bring out newer and more powerful diesel models in the mid 1950s.

Rather a long answer there sorry,  however I think you asked an interesting question that begged a fuller answer.

Pete

Edited July 9 by Pete Ashby

[Pete Ashby]

Effort continues and is directed to getting 'stuff'  out of store and bolted on.   To that end here's "something I prepared earlier",  back on page 5 of this blog I went to some detail about how I went about restoring the windscreen frame and fitting the glass,  now its time had arrived to be unwrapped from its protective cardboard sleeve and fitted, see photo below

 

Next up was fitting the seat base and back rest, both of these are of fully sprung construction fortunately the springs and the securing frame are in very good condition and needed nothing more than a clean, the covers are a little tired at some stage a second cover has been fitted to the base unit over the top of the factory original.  Both the base and back will in due course be recovered but for now while I'm climbing in and out fitting out the cab they will do the job see photo below.

 

 

Pete

Edited July 9 by Pete Ashby

[Pete Ashby]

Continuing the theme of fitting out the cab next out of storage are the doors and fittings.  I'm getting all the door wedges and bumpers sorted out first,  with out these functioning correctly it wont be possible to adjust the doors when they are hung to enable a good fit and proper closure.

This is where the time goes in this type of restoration project. Below are the sprung loaded wedges that fit into the top of the door frame,  corrosion and paint has locked them up solid so I had to disassemble them clean and de-rust the component parts then reassemble and now they function correctly.

There are also four small rubber bumpers two on each side of the rear door frames however these are unfortunately perished so new replacements will have to come in from one of the dealers in the US.

Sprung top wedges as retrieved from store

 

Disassembled 

 

Cleaned up ready for reassembly

 

Pete

 

[goanna]

Found this pic in a Dutch photo archive.

https://beeldbank.nimh.nl/foto-s/detail/130f65f1-c814-7867-622e-2dfb9f383807/media/c3e348cf-82fa-b427-9300-ad7d9564f238?mode=detail&view=horizontal&q=dodge&rows=1&page=1&fq[]=search_s_mediatype:"Foto's"

[Pete Ashby]

So all the small parts that go into making the doors fit and shut correctly have either been restored or listed as being required when I next order stuff in from the US.  Effort now is focused on the doors themselves, as with most of the truck the general condition is pretty good however there are areas that have required attention as a result of corrosion due to the window glass seals allowing water ingress over the passage of time this collets in the window runner channels and also in the bottom of the doors, although time consuming none of it was terminal and both the inner and outer skins were perfect.

What follows in the next few posts will show the work carried out.

This was the starting point :

 

Outside

 

 

Inside

 

 

[Pete Ashby]

To weld up the holes in the bottom of the door I strapped a chunk of steel bar to my copper heat sink using a zip tie.  The reason for using the copper heat sink is to help prevent burn though and support the weld pool when plug filling small holes, the weld will not stick to the copper.  The steel bar acts as a another useful heat sink but in this particular case provides a useful extension handle to the copper enabling me to reach into the bottom of the door,  photo below 

 

 

 

Once all the welding and the grinding was completed the next phase was paint removal I covered this in the post on the cab back and base so I won't go into detail other that to show a photo of the tools I use, everything has been covered previously with the exception of my new wonder discovery.   Anyone who has stuck with this blog to this point will have realised I have a particular leaning to the use and repurposing of domestic culinary equipment and this is no exception in the shape of "Clean & Powerful" scouring balls from Tesco (other stores are available ).  These are scouring pads made up of dense stainless steel strip with no additive in terms of scouring powder, this is important,  you don't want this on a surface to be painted.

I use the pad to remove the residual red lead staining (you can see this on the bottom of the door in the photo) that is always left behind after using chemical stripper.  A very light wipe over with stripper then almost immediately scrub the area with the pad and the metal comes up clean and they last a really long time,   The pad under the knife in the photo had done the cab roof and both doors because the steel strip is fairly coarse paint clogging is not an issue.

 

After a bit of effort it looks like this

 

 

Pete

Edited August 6 by Pete Ashby

[Pete Ashby]

The bare metal door is then given a quick once over with some 320 grit paper by hand this is done dry to form a key for the paint then everything is wiped down using a tack rag. My usual painting sequence follows as detailed in previous posts ie, grey etch primer, gloss black undercoat, two top coats of War Paint supplied G3 at 15% sheen.  

I used the lifting frame and the levelling bar to get the door level and up to a sensible height for spraying, dong it this way rather than lying flat meant I could spray both front, back and sides in one go as opposed to laying it flat spraying one side and waiting for it to dry and cure completely before attempting to turn it over with all the attendant risk of damaging the new paint.

The gloss undercoat acting like a mirror for a rare blue sky this year here in the Wild West 

 

 

 

Then after 48 hrs the gloss is just knocked back very lightly using a fine grade scotch pad and then two coats of G3 top coat spray applied and the finished job looks like this:

 

 

Pete

 

[Rootes75]

Good idea to be able to spray both sides in one hit.

[Pete Ashby]

On 8/7/2024 at 9:09 AM, Rootes75 said:

Good idea to be able to spray both sides in one hit.

Thank you, it assumes that you have some way of suspending the door of course,  I appreciate that not everyone has a lifting gantry but most people will have an engine hoist that would do the job just as well. 

The added advantage of doing it in one hit is it eliminates the risk of over spray on already cured painted surfaces.  

Edited August 8 by Pete Ashby

[earlymb]

I'm partly stripping my jeep for a repaint now, but since my rented garage sits right at the public road I'm working on it there, so no option to spray unfortunately. I'll have to make due with a brush, roller and rattle can for small parts.

I do have a length of steel pole and 2 small household ladders, so at least I can rig something up to suspend parts from to dry. This will take some planning up front, as touching this paint before it's fully cured leaves a dark spot...

[Pete Ashby]

5 hours ago, earlymb said:

I'm partly stripping my jeep for a repaint now, but since my rented garage sits right at the public road I'm working on it there, so no option to spray unfortunately. I'll have to make due with a brush, roller and rattle can for small parts.

I do have a length of steel pole and 2 small household ladders, so at least I can rig something up to suspend parts from to dry. This will take some planning up front, as touching this paint before it's fully cured leaves a dark spot...

That will work fine bend up a few double ended hooks out of fencing wire and your good to go.  I get a piece of cardboard off a box then poke suitably sized holes in it to take bolts or screws, the washers and nuts can go on the under side with just a couple of turns on the thread, these can then be undercoated and top coated and the card can be hung up to dry ,   I have an old indoor clothes dryer rack that I hang off the beams in the workshop and hang all the small stuff on hooks off that to dry.

Air dry enamels will take a few days to harden and a number of weeks to cure fully which is the reason that two pack paint systems are now used  exclusively in the commercial world it goes off like concrete in a few hours in a heated spray booth.

Edited August 8 by Pete Ashby

[Pete Ashby]

Effort is on going scrapping paint from the second door however to relieve the tedium I set about getting the first door mounted on the truck.  Once again I used the lifting frame and the levelling bar to take the weight while the hinge pins were inserted  this made the whole job really very easy without having to struggle with weight of the door.

And now it looks like this:

 

 

 

Some fine adjustment is required to get the door shutting with the correct gap all the way round but that's for another day 

Pete 

Edited August 10 by Pete Ashby