ploughman Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 From the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22846645 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 From the BBChttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22846645 A German World War II bomber has been raised from the bottom of the English Channel. The Dornier 17 aircraft was shot down off the Kent coast more than 70 years ago during the Battle of Britain. Believed to be the only intact example of its kind in the world, it has laid in 50ft (15m) of water on the Goodwin Sands. Attempts by the RAF Museum to salvage the relic have been hit by strong winds over the last few weeks. The BBC's Nick Higham on board the salvage barge said the weather conditions for the hour-long operation were "near perfect" on Monday evening. The salvage almost had to be postponed again when the rope from one of the salvage barge's four anchors got wrapped around its propeller, but the crew were able to free it in time to take advantage of the helpful tidal conditions, our correspondent said. The aircraft will now be restored at a site in Shropshire before eventually going on display at the RAF Museum in Hendon, north London. Museum spokesman Ajay Srivastava said: "It has been lifted and is now safely on the barge and in one piece. "The operation has been an absolute success, the aircraft looks great and I believe it will be towed into port tomorrow morning." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locolines Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Excellent news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Notice all the subtle softening up for the bad news after all the hype.Quote"Should the weather provide additional challenges to the actual integrity of the aircraft, the Museum is committed to salvaging the parts it can in order to treat, examine and exhibit this incredible part of aviation history" from official site Big jump from air craft in good condition perhaps nows a good time to convert one of those polytunnels to growing lettuce or something on hydroponics God to see was proved wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspool Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 An excellent effort and great news! Seeing http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22848638 the salt water definitely has taken its toll, I hope they can preserve most of what's there and display it a la Halifax at the RAF Museum, rather than totally reconstruct it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Not that good it looks to be falling apart. Crash damage or raising? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2339105/Ghost-plane-flies-deep-Last-WW2-Dornier-bomber-plucked-seabed-Kent-73-years-shot-down.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Not that good it looks to be falling apart. Crash damage or raising? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2339105/Ghost-plane-flies-deep-Last-WW2-Dornier-bomber-plucked-seabed-Kent-73-years-shot-down.html The way some people on here were describing what would be left I'm very surprised to see so much of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie The Jeep Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 For a start, ditching into the sea, is worse than a hard belly landing on ground. Add to that, 70 years of salt water, tidal action and trawlers nets tugging at it. It's amazing what they have got. Cleaned up, laid out on the ground with all the right bits in the right places, and not only will you have something that looks like a Dornier 17, but a display that will make you stop and think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanter Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I'm glad they got it out in less pieces than I thought they would but why are they saying the engines are intact when they aren't fitted all I can see are the engine bearers on the end of the nacelles? Will look forward to seeing how much else they get up and how well the conservation goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locolines Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 For a start, ditching into the sea, is worse than a hard belly landing on ground. Add to that, 70 years of salt water, tidal action and trawlers nets tugging at it. It's amazing what they have got. Cleaned up, laid out on the ground with all the right bits in the right places, and not only will you have something that looks like a Dornier 17, but a display that will make you stop and think. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I'd presume the engines or at the very least the cranks are there somewhere as the props are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Who,s kidding who its a £500,000 pile of scrap and it not the right way up yet. Never mind a good clean up will reveal many more holes be a bit like one of them cutaway models when it goes on display Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I bet every aviation museum is going green with envy now Oh look they have a dornier 17 not only that its not an ordinary dornier its a broken dornier with large bits rotted of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie The Jeep Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Your attitude is getting rather repetitive and boring now. Moderators, is there anything we can do about this. Trolling seems rife in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Your attitude is getting rather repetitive and boring now. Moderators, is there anything we can do about this. Trolling seems rife in this thread. Agree.. Cosrec we are continually receiving complaints about your attitude on the forum, as stated in post #44 if you have nothing useful to add then please don't bother posting at all. Please STOP baiting the members. We are all here with common interests, Restoration of Military Vehicles/Equipment, Preserving History & Keeping alive the memories of those that made the ultimate sacrifice. If you decide not to take note then you leave us no alternative than to reconsider your membership of the forum. If you would like to discuss this then please PM any one of the HMVF Team. Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrettkitt Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I'd presume the engines or at the very least the cranks are there somewhere as the props are! Not sure if its a radial engine or an inline engine if it was the first I suspect that most of the cylinders would be removed in the ditching. At the moment it doesn't look that good and I'll be surprised if it doesn't soak up more money than expected. I would like to hope that they had a contingency plan for any unexpected issues. I do hope that it is better than it looks at first glance now that they have raised it from the sea. I only wish that it looked as good as some of the aircraft that have been raised from the Norwegian Fjords and Russia. This is one of the aircraft I was thinking about just for how it looks visually http://navalairhistory.com/2012/11/23/heinkel-he115-brought-into-the-sun-at-sola/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoseman Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Not sure if its a radial engine or an inline engine if it was the first I suspect that most of the cylinders would be removed in the ditching. At the moment it doesn't look that good and I'll be surprised if it doesn't soak up more money than expected. I would like to hope that they had a contingency plan for any unexpected issues. I do hope that it is better than it looks at first glance now that they have raised it from the sea. I only wish that it looked as good as some of the aircraft that have been raised from the Norwegian Fjords and Russia. This is one of the aircraft I was thinking about just for how it looks visually http://navalairhistory.com/2012/11/23/heinkel-he115-brought-into-the-sun-at-sola/ The Heinkel raising is a spectacular sight to see, but water conditions helped save the structure and condition. Was it fresh water lake, colder etc...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 The simple fact is that being the only DO 17 , the RAF Museum had to do it regardless of the cost . The money came in and the major part of being physically saved is complete, conservation / condition monitoring will always be ongoing - more so because it is the only DO 17. Again , to harp on - it is the only DO 17 and that will make it a major museum attraction , a national attraction for foreign tourists. The fact that UK is now a nation of greater museum attractions and at the same time a lesser manufacturing nation is a moot point. A price was placed on this historical artifact and it will never be too great now or in the future. Would the Germans have carried out a similar project in the Baltic - most probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneck Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 http://www.maryrose.org/ what more needs to be said.... apart from well done to both teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Agree.. Cosrec we are continually receiving complaints about your attitude on the forum, as stated in post #44 if you have nothing useful to add then please don't bother posting at all. Please STOP baiting the members. We are all here with common interests, Restoration of Military Vehicles/Equipment, Preserving History & Keeping alive the memories of those that made the ultimate sacrifice. If you decide not to take note then you leave us no alternative than to reconsider your membership of the forum. If you would like to discuss this then please PM any one of the HMVF Team. Thank You Point taken and accepted i will let the craft speak for its self from now on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Point taken and accepted i will let the craft speak for its self from now on This applies to ALL threads not just this one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) Not sure if its a radial engine or an inline engine if it was the first I suspect that most of the cylinders would be removed in the ditching. At the moment it doesn't look that good and I'll be surprised if it doesn't soak up more money than expected. I would like to hope that they had a contingency plan for any unexpected issues. I do hope that it is better than it looks at first glance now that they have raised it from the sea. I only wish that it looked as good as some of the aircraft that have been raised from the Norwegian Fjords and Russia. This is one of the aircraft I was thinking about just for how it looks visually http://navalairhistory.com/2012/11/23/heinkel-he115-brought-into-the-sun-at-sola/ According to the reports the engines are still at the bottom awaiting to be lifted. Edit - Both of the engines have been pulled up according to reports on RAF Museum twitter page. A wing tip is to follow before the journey to Cosford this PM. Edited June 11, 2013 by Smithy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie The Jeep Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 http://www.maryrose.org/ what more needs to be said.... The Mary Rose is quite an interesting comparison. A big budget to lift it, with a lifting frame that didn't do entirely to plan as I recall, and while they got an impressive lump, it is probably less that half of the ship, due to the way the parts above the sand/slit rotted away. Then for 30 years it was hidden away in a dark mist filled building being treated, and yet still drew visitors to look through the murky windows, me amongst them, at this rare piece of history. Now, it has a brand new visitors centre and still drawing crowds. I hope the Dornier holds the same interest for people for decades to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Not sure if its a radial engine or an inline engine if it was the first I suspect that most of the cylinders would be removed in the ditching. At the moment it doesn't look that good and I'll be surprised if it doesn't soak up more money than expected. I would like to hope that they had a contingency plan for any unexpected issues. I do hope that it is better than it looks at first glance now that they have raised it from the sea. I only wish that it looked as good as some of the aircraft that have been raised from the Norwegian Fjords and Russia. This is one of the aircraft I was thinking about just for how it looks visually http://navalairhistory.com/2012/11/23/heinkel-he115-brought-into-the-sun-at-sola/ It would have been fitted with Brama 323P air cooled radials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 So with all this excitement.... Does that mean that this WW2 Dutch captioned photo postcard is worth a lot of $$$ now?:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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