Jessie The Jeep Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 In case you all missed it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b020sj6g/Dornier_17_The_Fall_and_Rise_of_a_German_Bomber/ From the Dornier metal sample shown, they may have a fighting chance to save this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22721897 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Should be in for some good weather over the next week so hopefully will get sorted in that time. Cosford announced online and in other media outlets that they were hopeful of having it in place on the museum grounds by the end of this weekend. That now looks unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) Is it only me being sceptical or are the press releases on this subject subtly moving from “In very good condition protected by the sands to very corroded frail only just announced its split 1/3 of the way around ” Notice we are getting the go for broke messages wont be here in a years time (priceless object cobblers).. Blown huge amounts of money on a lifting frame that is not going to work going back to using slings that we are told in a roundabout way may not get it up in one lump. Costs gone from £350,000 to £500,000 + what it costs to stabilise it. Then what ever comes to the surface will not be recognisable to the general public as the once grand machine that flew over Britain. Probably be of more interest to marine biologists. What will become of it with my basic knowledge of chemistry? Different metals and acid it’s going to be turned into a battery for 2 years. Then one or more split tea bags will go on display If I am wrong on all the above I will say so and sorry on this site unreservedly hope someone who is in charge of project is willing to do same if i am right Churchill Criticism may not be agreeable but it is the same as pain in the human body it draws attention to an unhealthy state of things Edited June 1, 2013 by cosrec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locolines Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 All of the above might be true, but I wish them good fortune, as I personally speaking, are glad they are at least trying to save the last one. The amount of money is small compared to other less significant projects. How much does the time team cost to produce every series, in order to find another five pieces of old roman pot every program and to hear Phil Harding say "ere tony look wot oi found" ? Even a corroded pile of German barnacle coloured aluminium in a museum would make me think of those brave people during the war that saved our country from the nazis and put the bomber were it was found, instead of it ending up on the end of a British runway, and they make me even prouder to be British. this is only my own personal feelings and I am not trying to provoke any disagreements. have a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 ....How much does the time team cost to produce every series, in order to find another five pieces of old roman pot every program and to hear Phil Harding say "ere tony look wot oi found" ?....... :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Costs gone from £350,000 to £500,000 + what it costs to stabilise it. I suppose we could always give that sort of money away in foreign aid, so that it can be squandered away, rather than saving a piece of history with which to educate future generations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 The operation was delayed once again last night due to it being too windy. Looks like the vessels have returned to port in order to discuss when they next attempt to raise it from the seabed. This blog is a good source of information: http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/blog/ Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 (edited) Notice all the subtle softening up for the bad news after all the hype. Quote"Should the weather provide additional challenges to the actual integrity of the aircraft, the Museum is committed to salvaging the parts it can in order to treat, examine and exhibit this incredible part of aviation history" from official site Big jump from air craft in good condition perhaps nows a good time to convert one of those polytunnels to growing lettuce or something on hydroponics Edited June 3, 2013 by cosrec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 All this project reminds me of is Fools and Horses. Rewrite Fools and Horses Chandelier. Set Scene Del and Rodney walking about on crumpled wreckage on barge. Grand dad “was it valuable Dell” Dell boy “ When it was down there it was Priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Also i have just been told the musem used to have a good flying example of the same aircraft but they scrapped it many years ago. i will try and get futher info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanter Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) There hasn't been a complete Dornier 17 for 60 years let alone one in airworthy trim, I admit i'm a little concerned at how the lift has now decended into "well we're here and we've got this far so lets drag it up anyway and see what we are left with", once the plan with the lifting frame was abandoned I wish they had decided to stop and revisit it when time and conditions allowed. I really hope it comes out ok but have seen too many rushed jobs recently to not be a little cynical. Edited June 5, 2013 by spanter Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie The Jeep Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I don't believe time and conditions do allow. It was burried up until recently, protecting it to some degree from the tides. Now that the sands have shifted and it is exposed, it is a race to get it out. Channel tides won't do it any favours if left where it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanter Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I know what you mean Steve but 73 years have gone by maybe another month may not hurt? I really am looking forward to seeing whatever they are able to lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie The Jeep Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I guess the other issue is hire cost of things like the barge, and any other work committments the various companies have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 OK, so yes it is a lot of money but what price do you put on history? We all know of bits of history that we wished the nationed had saved and in 10, 20, 100 years time our nation may be so pleased someone took the plunge and got the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie The Jeep Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 It's actually NOT a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locolines Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 No, not a lot in the scale of things today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berna2vm Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Very good value for money in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 OK, so yes it is a lot of money but what price do you put on history? We all know of bits of history that we wished the nationed had saved and in 10, 20, 100 years time our nation may be so pleased someone took the plunge and got the job done. It's not often that it happens, (puts note in diary), but agree with the Jack. When its gone or wrecked by the swirl of prop blades under the channel, it will be like it will never have existed apart from reference books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 My scorce tells me the Museum had a dornier gifted to them when it opened by Farnbourgh all though he isnt sure of its model no. It had been flown and evaluated by a british test pilot after its capture during the war. It was scrapped after it was damged accidently (fire maybe?) somehow while at the museum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFMT Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Dornier 17Z-3 U5+LK was tested by the RAE before being put into storage for a potential post war "victory" exhibition. It was in the Air Historical Branch store by about 1950 but was at some point scrapped. It was never part of the RAF Museum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Another lift attempt will be made this afternoon according to the latest tweet from the RAF Museum's twitter team. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 The lift is starting to take place as we speak. Although an hour ago it was said that it would be midnight, a change in the tide means they have been able to start the lift early. Will be interesting to see how it all ends up. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locolines Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Lets hope it goes well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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