DesertBlooms88 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 hi Here are three photo's which will be of interest to Model T enthusiasts. They are from the Library of Congress website. The first one which is at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem is pretty good resolution. All photo's have the LOC link so you can view and download the original . Thankyou for taking the time to look . Any information is welcome. DesertBlooms88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSM Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) You are certainly on the money regarding the clarity. Thanks for sharing. Pity that chap is standing in front of the first part of the number on the rear of the vehicle. This Ford is "bare bones" as far as the body is concerned as most of the ford vans, LAMB fords and LCP vehicles in Palestine (images actually sighted by the writer in the past 6 years) during the War were much better endowed with body metal etc. This one is similar to the earlier versions seen in Egypt during the campaign against the Senussi. Rod Edited November 7, 2012 by BSM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kufra Kiwi Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 What a wonderful photo!! So crisp and clear you could almost be there. Foreunner of the LRDG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Seems lifting or removing engine covers to increase cooling in the Middle East started early. Looks like it has been worked hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_g_kearney Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Not a Model T Ford, but perhaps a Sunbeam or Rover-Sunbeam 16hp without its bonnet in the Egyptian desert circa 1916. (Not quite so near the camera, unfortunately, and the neg is degrading too...) John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazungumagic Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) The black radiator and the design of the LH mudguard, suggests to me that the vehicle is a 1917 or older model. It would appear, from the damage to the LH mudguard, that it could be the same vehicle in all three photos. The MG post behind the front seat is interesting - generally, the light car patrol design put the mount just to the rear of the firewall/dash. The original photo is very well preserved and a little zoom brings up a few interesting items, like the fire extinguisher in front of the passenger in the first pic. Thanks for finding these pics and displaying them. Jack Edited November 8, 2012 by mazungumagic Second thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosunAl Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Glad you joined us, Jack! I have several photos showing Lewis guns mounted behind the passenger seat. As a general rule, Vnckers guns seem to be behind the dash as you mentioned. Wonder if there was a practical reason for this difference? Looking forward to seeing your LPC car finished . . . Bosun Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazungumagic Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Glad you joined us, Jack! I have several photos showing Lewis guns mounted behind the passenger seat. As a general rule, Vnckers guns seem to be behind the dash as you mentioned. Wonder if there was a practical reason for this difference? Looking forward to seeing your LPC car finished . . . Bosun Al G'day Bosun Al, Thanks for the welcome though I've been on other areas on this site, for a while. I'm also restoring a Champ and have my efforts recorded at http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?28539-The-Restoration-of-Austin-Champ-1824 I've attached a picture below of a Model T from the Australian Light Car Patrol on which I am basing my restoration of the LCP vehicle (BTW, it will be numbered LC 303). All the photos I've seen of this black radiator era (ie 1917 plus), seem to have a Lewis mounted in front of the passenger. The earlier vehicles often seem to have had a Vickers pointing rearwards. In thinking about the MG post, I've come to realise that these weapons, weighing around 30lbs in the case of the Lewis, would have needed to be solidly anchored. Obviously, the Vickers would be heavier. I'm still weighing up options for the MG Post but reckon it would have been bolted to the LH chassis rail which would take all the vertical weight and secured to the dash to prevent it moving laterally. Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Those are great photos. Some chap in the USA was printing photos out from that collection as negatives and selling them as originals for a great profit on E bay. Caught me out on one until i realised. Luckily i only paid a couple of £. One guy paid $60. Easily done. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Very interesting replies to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) This is a larger version of this photo... click away for a closer look. Remember the Flickr link will show you the Library of Congress link for the MASSIVE downloadable original. The more i look at this classic image the more i enjoy it. DesertBlooms88 Edited November 19, 2012 by DesertBlooms88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) The Flickr link with each photo will also show the Library of Congress ' original ' V LARGE MB file link, which can be downloaded. Found another photo of a Ford Model T in Palestine circa 1916 A close up of the Lewis Gun mount on first picture in this thread. DesertBlooms88 Edited November 19, 2012 by DesertBlooms88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Quillion on the bayonet. Odd, I'd thought they were removed by 1917. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazungumagic Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 DB88, Thanks for this close up on the Lewis gun mount - it clearly shows some of the finer detail. Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the images The mount on the first image appears to have a pivot around or just above the centre line of the gun Where as the other two images have a high pivot so under slinging the gun ? Are these different vehicles? I am interested so I can make a correct mount for my own gun. This is how I have it at the moment, not very secure on the road! Tom Edited November 19, 2012 by Charawacky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the images The mount on the first image appears to have a pivot around or just above the centre line of the gun Where as the other two images have a high pivot so under slinging the gun ? Are these different vehicle's ? At the start of this thread there are three photo's of Ford Model T vehicles and i have shown a close up of each. I take it you are only interested in the mounting for Ford Model T ? There are other photo's i have which show them on differant vehicles you see. DesertBlooms88 Edited November 20, 2012 by DesertBlooms88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 DesertBlooms88 I am interested in a WW1 Lewis Gun Vehicle mount I have seen more complex pre WW2 late ones but I think I am looking for the simpler mount like the T shown Thanks Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBlooms88 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 DesertBlooms88 I am interested in a WW1 Lewis Gun Vehicle mount I have seen more complex pre WW2 late ones but I think I am looking for the simpler mount like the T shown Thanks Tom ok, well if you do decide you wish to see other later types then there are some in other posts i have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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