Bob Grundy Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I have had to drop all the diesel out of a 434 (ex Witham). The colour is not red or the nice greeny blue you get at the pumps. It is a sort of brown ambre colour and a bit more oily than normal, what is it ? and more importantly is it safe to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private mw Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 i do believe they run on anything contaminated fuel ! but leave it to the experts to answer fully . :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private mw Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 multifuel ie diesel petrol oil . mix but do wait for the experts :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Sounds like red (British) to me probably with a bit of green (Irish) and white mixed fuel contaminated is usually preety clear because it is a petrol/diesel mix which has been pumped out of a car just my two pennyworth Commander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Sound like same stuff i had in a truck i bought from dealer amber coloured full tank told it was kerosene (parrafin) central heating oil diesel engines are not real choosy what you put in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Sound like same stuff i had in a truck i bought from dealer amber coloured full tank told it was kerosene (parrafin) central heating oil diesel engines are not real choosy what you put in them Sounds like a good idea that Bob has drained the tank if it is kero/paraffin, as it has no lubricant properties unlike diesel. Fuel pump problems can be be expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 one tank full wont kill it and that is obviously what vehicle was running on direct from mod. If you fill up anywhere from East of Austria/hungary or lots of ex russian states on a middle east run you get exactly the same stuff. a lot of the scare mongering is put about to justify the huge duty put on by the goverment and the manufacturers of modern smaller diesels. Modern Diesel trucks are running about on this stuff ok all over the world Other wise how could Scania/Volvo for instance sell trucks to South America/Africa they run on what they refine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) I am willing to put on a little challenge here for any one who is willing to risk it. Try putting kerosene vegatable oil parrafin turps even lard if you can warm it to liquid Sump oil as long as it it it aint contaminated with water and tell me what difference it makes to the performance of your vehicle if its a large diesel Edited December 21, 2011 by cosrec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 A lot of the American enthusiasts run Reo's on old engine oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Your description reads exactly like a tank of classic 'mature' red diesel - had it often with 'new' old plant. It goes brown and seems more oily than fresh diesel. Never had any problems with it - just keep diluting with fresh 'red' :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 In fact its just like machinery we have parked up for a few years which always had red in - the dye seems to lose its red colour and it goes oily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) if its red diesel its white desiel with dye in it got your self a bargin about half price/ if it running on it and not on the road tip it back in Edited December 21, 2011 by cosrec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Grundy Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 Thank you one and all for these comments. This vehicle never ran on this stuff as today I removed the diesel lift pump and discovered that the brass filter was clogged. There is, now was, a varnish like glazing over the mesh. Even though it was full of diesel not a drop came out of the mesh. A new one has been ordered from Mr Glenn. I was always under the impression that diesel did not deteriorate but perhaps the modern stuff does ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topdog Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Doesnt old diesel grow a mould which turns it black when left a long time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg1982 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Doesnt old diesel grow a mould which turns it black when left a long time? Its actually new diesel that does that. All diesel is now 8% bio it does not like any moisture. We have suffered a lot on our work vehicles as condensation forms in the alloy and steel tanks and mixes with the bio, causing the fungus to grow creating a black sludge. It is a pain to get rid of and is very costly:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangie Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Your description reads exactly like a tank of classic 'mature' red diesel - had it often with 'new' old plant. It goes brown and seems more oily than fresh diesel. Never had any problems with it - just keep diluting with fresh 'red' :-D Hi, I agree with this, when our big tank is freshly filled its a nice red colour, but as it goes down and after about 6-7 years its changed to a light brown..... It may be heating fluid/kerosene/gas oil though, but as long as you say it feels oily, it will be fine. I use a 50:1 mix of heating oil/engine oil in a 3-phase generator, no probs, 10 years plus. Perkins diesel tho.... Up to you, but I would use it, albeit dilute it say 50:50 to give you confidence, it will save you half the fuel costs till it is done and it was evidently what the MOD ran it on!! Alec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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