Redherring Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 There is a fellow in Australia who recently found a very early Lacre chassis. That renewed my interest in the marque. I found this photo on a site called drewry.net. The design of the trailer looks remarkably like familiar in some ways? If this photo predates WW1 could this trailer be a precursor? Or am I swinging at shadows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I forgot to mention there is a much larger clearer version of this photo on the drewry.net website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFMT Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 On the basis the you never have too much of a good thing i found these amongst the RAF Museum collection while looking at tenders. A couple have been shown before i'm sure: And to show the old "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude of the RAF, the same trailer type in use in 1937: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Grundy Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Would you have a caption/location for the photo that has the wagon No 35739 on please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFMT Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I kept a print out just in case something like this was asked. Leyland Lorry? 35739 towing recovery trailer with wreckage of Sopwith Snipe, Germany, 1919 It's also tagged Australian Flying Corps, so i assumed it's one of their Snipes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) As a trailer anorak I have the following notes on this excellent set of photographs: Thanks very much for posting them. Image 1 Shows an archetypal trailer with rounded metal mudguards and wood wheels with what may be the towing vehicle to the left, most probably a 3 tonner judging by the height. Image 2 & 3 These are unusual in that they are photos of moving vehicles Image 4 The fourth picture is superb, a Leyland with odd front wheels, one disc and one with spokes. The trailer is a standard pattern missing its metal mudguards, heavily loaded with the draw-bar to chassis mounting showing signs of weakness I believe this was addressed by extending the draw-bar to the transverse wood shackle beams on later trailers . The front prop (stand) can be clearly seen, as can the open, built in toolbox on the n/s of the draw-bar. Image 5 Judging by rear axle profile this is a Leyland towing a completely different later type of trailer. Possibly an all metal, longer trailer with single wheels and fitted with hinged out riggers, deeper section side under-struts, mounted above spring shackles rather than along side. Front and rear drop down props of rectangular section and rear mounted toolbox. Is this image post WW1? Image 6 Another Leyland with the two slightly differing pattern WW1 trailers both with usual wood wheels, principle difference is splashguard mounting. The loaded trailer has metal mudguards mounted with metal bar stays where as the unloaded trailer has simple wood splashboards fixed over the extended transverse wood shackle beams, offside board missing. Image 7 Post war RAF markings, Fantastic, Lovely Picture, typical trailer but the first one I have seen with wire wheels and spinners, quickly interchangeable with the wheels from the unusually bodied flatbed Crossley Tender. Trailer is level with tender which is usual, wires would have been more expensive and the trailer would have been designed to be towed specifically by a tender so to me the trailer feels to be early. Image 8 First image where I can see the double thickness of main structural runners, fitted with splashboards rather than mudguards. Image 9 I feel this trailer will soon be broken! With Hawker Demon Mk1 at twice the weight of a Albatross I feel sorry for it! Looks like all metal construction trailer, side struts above shackles not along side, different props and what looks like a tubular transverse member at the front. Observations of a budding trailer designer Most of the above is supposition, I would love to hear any addition information on this subject for obvious reasons, I would now have considered building the trailer with wires rather than wood wheels. Tom Edited November 27, 2012 by Charawacky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFMT Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Image 5 is the North West frontier 1930. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted December 27, 2012 Author Share Posted December 27, 2012 Merry Christmas everyone Spare time at Christmas has been used to assemble the double trailer wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Beautiful job, Tom! How did you extend the valves to go all the way through the rims? On our Autocar, they barely poke through the timber. Cheers! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 Old Bill I have been supplied with extension pieces from Longstone tyres as the image below: Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Thanks! I'll have to keep them in mind. Cheers! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 Interview from IWM website http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80021539 Looks like the trailer draw-bar is quite heavy! Interesting interview covers all RFC motorised transport. Leyland, Crossley, Phelon and Moore and others Well worth listening too Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 Thought I would post a few trailer pictures, this one with twin spare as a load What are the trucks passing over the bridge? Sorry about the quality Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Nice pic again Tom. Difficult to identify the lorries but I would suggest that they are Peerless. They certainly have the look about them. Did the RFC have any? Cheers! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeePig Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) [ATTACH=CONFIG]56199[/ATTACH] Oh, excellent, what a great Victorian name for the engineering works - 'Hope Works', a classic pun :-D Edited July 19, 2013 by GeePig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Progress on the trailer is moving along slowly, Spent today making the tie angles which bridge from one end to the other under the spring hangers. Toolbox metal structure is also nearly complete. There is one aspect of the design I cannot understand: I attach images showing glimpses of vertical flat brackets and chains within the chassis rails above the axle. Originally I thought these were to restrain the axle to prevent the shackles going over centre Now I am not so sure - Any ideas out there? Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Here is a picture of an unusual trailer cut down from an aircraft recovery trailer. NAMUR, BELGIUM. 1919-03-01. ONE OF THE LEYLAND LORRIES AND TRAILER OF THE NO 4 SQUADRON, AUSTRALIAN FLYING CORPS, CONVOY FROM COLOGNE TO LE HAVRE RESTS BESIDE THE ROAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 I've only just twigged the relevance of this letter, which I previously posted in the water cart restoration thread: [ATTACH=CONFIG]56199[/ATTACH] Hi Runflat Trailer will be assembled next week, my attention is turning to the label / plate details and sourcing a replica fuselage! so am revisiting past posts which has prompted me to find this. London Gazette 18th March 1921 In the Matter of GRICE & HARRISON Limited. AT an Extraordinary General Meeting of the Members of the above named Company, duly convened, and held at Hope Works, Sherbornestreet, Birmingham, on Thursday, the 10th day of March, 1921, the following Extraordinary Resolution was duly passed, viz. :— " That it has been proved to the satisfaction of this Meeting that the Company cannot, by reason of its liabilities, continue its business, and that it is advisable to wind up the same, and accordingly that the Company be wound up voluntarily; and that Mr. T. Ireland, of Messrs. Harrison, West, Ledsam and Co,, of 16, Waterloo-street, Birmingham, be and he is hereby appointed Liquidator for the purposes of such winding-up." Dated this sixteenth day of March, 1921. WILLIAM HARRISON, Chairman I guess this was the fate of many a successful wartime contractor unable to survive on civilian work post war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Indeed - adapt or die. As true today as it ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) I've only just twigged the relevance of this letter, which I previously posted in the water cart restoration thread: [ATTACH=CONFIG]56199[/ATTACH] Done some work on the Company Logo which I may use as a hub cap stamp I think this is what it should look like, the original stamp on the letter is not very distinct. See attachment above - top left hand corner of letter Edited October 14, 2013 by Charawacky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) How will you transfer the logo to the hub cap? Photo etching or engraving perhaps? It does look good! Cheers! Steve Edited October 15, 2013 by Old Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runflat Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Spot on reproduction of the logo. I don't even begin to know how you did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 How will you transfer the logo to the hub cap? Photo etching or engraving perhaps? It does look good! Cheers! Steve First engrave on copper Then spark erode hardened steel stamp using copper engraving Then stamp brass with hardened steel stamp tool. I have not had the engraver make such a complex item before so it will be interesting to see if he can achieve it. The logo was generated by colouring in and erasing pixel by pixel an electronic copy of the logo- quite a few hours work. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 (edited) Here is an interesting picture. Just lacking paint, splashboards, toolbox and aeroplane or boxed propellers and wings! Any suggestions for markings please. Edited October 18, 2013 by Charawacky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Nice job! Please can we see some more? Cheers! Steve:cheesy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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