Adrian Barrell Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Ah but which Ford Dark Green? The green one, the blue one, the black one, the.....etc.etc. :cool2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike65 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Ah but which Ford Dark Green? The green one, the blue one, the black one, the.....etc.etc. :cool2: It was much easier when Henry Ford started. Any colour you like as long as it black. So he probably needs the black one. MIke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) After completing much of the work in the workshop at home, it was time to make a trip to the farm to finally remove the rear axle, with a view to breaking the chassis down into it's constituent parts. A friend who's Loyd has been modified postwar could do with the engine x-member so I was intending to take the one off the second Loyd, but it proved too difficult as it is upside down at the moment. As you can see from the photos I managed to split the axle from the chassis clamps and remove the track adjuster arms but it wasn't an easy job. Unlike earlier Loyd Carriers this 1944 version has the larger diameter rear axle with brackets at either end which bolt to the track adjuster arms and a large gusset to strengthen the adjuster arm even more (points to some problems in the field)! The rivet heads were very hard to cut through, I only managed four, the rest will have to wait a while longer. The two carrier wheels were donated by a local farmer and I found a number (over a dozen) Carrier wheels of various sources at the local timber yard, none are forsale though, they are still in everyday use! On the third photo down you can see the bracket which is used to hold the track adjuster arm and a little further inboard the circular clamp is a Belgian army postwar mod, they fitted two on the front axle and at least one on the back to aid recovery as in normal wartime spec a Loyd doesn't have any designated recover points. What you can't see in the photo is on the underside of the clamp is a square plate with a hold cut through it for attaching the chains / steel recovery cable. Edited April 3, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogmaner Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 There was a couple of carrier wheels on ebay not sure if still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I hang my head in shame for what I called a re-build.:shocked: The Sarry, when I found it, was in showroom condition compared to this! I would have discounted a rebuild on this without a second thought! Good on you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 yes i think only alastair would have taken these on as a project and i'm sure that when he's done it will be a very professional job, which just goes to show that nothing is beyond restoration it only needs the right lunatic to come along. eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 and lets face it theres a good selection of lunatics around here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) Armed with a clutch of cutting discs I broke the Loyd chassis down into manageable parts and moved them into the workshop. You can see in one of the photos that the tape measure marks the point that the 7V chassis rails are to be sectioned to bring the to Loyd specification when repairing the original Loyd item. There is only the rear axle remaining outside.... oh and a second Loyd! Playing the long game, I have organised to collect two NOS carrier wheels from just outside Dorchester, while I'm at A&E 2012. The farmer was quite happy to pop them out of the way until then ad said he would ask around some of his fellow farmers as he was sure he had seen quite a number around. Should also be picking up some NOS wheels at W&P later this year....just need those bogies now:undecided: Two photos above the clamps shown are used to hold the rear axle to the chassis, the two rusty pieces on the bench on the second photo down are the rear axle track adjuster arms. Below you can see the chassis as it was last weekend. Edited April 3, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) The 7V and twisted Loyd chassis found a new home today....no I haven't thrown in the towel, but a friendly fab shop (thanks Keith)have agreed to repair the original Loyd chassis by using parts from the 7V, he said it could take six months, but hey I can get on with lots more! He reckons that using the forward rails from the 7V as repair sections and one of the x-members the whole assembly should be good as new, but I asked to retain the bullet holes:D Can't wait for it to arrive back at the farm ready to start bolting the reconditioned parts back onto it! Edited March 29, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankrs Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hi Alastair , just wondering if you know what a complete Loyd carrier weighs ? I have been trying to drag one home over here in oz and need a rough idea of weight for the tilt tray operator . cheers James Hi Plushy, Where abouts are you in Oz,We are in W.A. and have just picked up a VERY rusty Loyd,we broke the chassis carting it .There are some technical details on Wiki.and Weights. Has anyone in Oz got a spare chassis from a Fordson 7v truck to spare?( Not rusty) Regards, Bruce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Glad to hear another Loyd is to be saved. I think the weights are to be taken with a pinch of salt as they are gross rather than unladen. I can't believe a Loyd weighs anything like 4 tones empty.... Mine is going on a weighbridge once rolling to get a correct weight reading. Have you any photos of your recovery? It would be nice to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Here is a topic on the restoration of a Loyd Carrier on the Dutch re-enactmentforum: http://www.re-enactmentforum.nl/forum/topic/4636-pauls-loyd-carrier/ Dutch text, but some nice pis! This project was finished just 2 weeks ago. Greetz David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) That belongs to Paul Visser, he has been helping me out no end with measurments and detail photos of his early Loyd while he was stripping it down. He has made a fantastic job, but it is my fault it is so noisy....I haven't got the new cast exhaust pipes over to him yet! Sorry Paul:blush: Edited April 1, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) Damn bas£££d stuck pistons in the flathead V8! How long does it all have to sit in pools of plus gas...ahh, even worse, stuck guides, not to worry, I have a special drift and puller winging it's way from a friend in the USA. Edited April 3, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bedford Boys Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Use some ATF (auto trans fluid) to free up stuck pistons etc. It works a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 14, 2011 Author Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) I have finally removed all the pistons and crank, three of the pistons had to be drilled through to remove the crown and then broken down through the skirt to relieve the tension and allow them to be driven from the cylinders, what a lot of work. Now the valves... a couple are free and show extensive wear to the guides, a full set of NOS french parts will be fitted if I can get them from the US. They use a modern* style valve and a one piece guide. *1948 :-) Edited April 14, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 mate don't chuck any of you're old parts out no matter how ragged you think they are as i might be able to use them on my loyd resto :-D cheers eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 (edited) Don't worry I am not throwing anything out that isn't totally up the creek The engine is stripped down now, once it comes back from the stripping tanks, I will have a bash at removing the valves, then send it back for a final dip in the acid. I am going to need a regrind on the mains and big ends, by the looks of the scoring, once back from the cleaning I can check the bores and see if I will need to go for a lining session or if I can keep it moderate at say 60 thou. I almost forgot, my set of recast Loyd exhaust stub pipes arrived on Saturday, they need a tickle with the grinder to turn one of the bolt holes into a slot to match the original that I salvaged from the range, but they look the part. I really am going to have to fire up the camera again. Edited April 17, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) This is what I am heading towards. Something went wrong... I supplied the exhaust stub pipes so that Paul could do the last bits to his Loyd Carrier before this video was shot. Can't wait to get mine out and about in the farmers field....as soon as it is completed:-D Apparently the chassis is coming on well,with the replacement main rails nearly ready to be drilled for the axles. Engine is stripped and waiting to go to the acid tanks along with the torque tube, axles and various small brackets etc, oh and thanks for that part you let me borrow John, we will be on to the AutoCAD in a coupe of weeks to knock up the file for the plasma cutting rig! Edited May 2, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzkpfw-e Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 They'll be a queue of folks who just happen to live near Lincoln waiting for you to offer rides in it!:cool2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 alastair have you seen the loyd at the cobbaton combat collection, might be worth a trip down sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 No, although I went on a visit back in the mid 90's. I spoke to Preston about it a few months ago and he sent me the WD number and a little history, Did you manage to take a photo of it? North Devon is long way from Scotland...... any news yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 sorry but i'm not one for taking pics, maybe it's time i started. as for scotland well it looks unlikely to happen until the next school holidays but the feelers are out and i reckon another family short break is on the cards, just got to find somewhere dog freindly to stay as i've trained him to sniff out old tank wrecks eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted May 11, 2011 Author Share Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Since the only other castings that I need for the Loyd are the hood stick brackets, I went to visit my Local Loyd barn find as mentioned last year. The owner was nice enough to remove one of each of the bracket types and let me borrow them to make two patterns. While I was at it I took the trusty note pad and tape measure to get some dimensions of the front lower hull plate top angle and the track guard support angles. Also drew up the mods to the standard gearbox gear selector shaft so I can make the mods before the top plate goes back on the rebuilt box. As you can see the TPC has been modified at the rear, with the engine x-member cut out and moved back, I gave him a spare one in good condition to hot rivet in the correct place....if he ever gets around to making a start restoring the old girl...those were his words! All thanks to the TPC owner for being such a good sport and supporting my project. Edited May 11, 2011 by ajmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 that barn find loyd would look good in my collection and might save a bit of work for myself if i don't have to build one from scratch, wonder if he'll ever let it go :cool2: eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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