plainmilitary Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Not sure of the weight of a BV but the DROPs can carry one. This vehicle was part of a Kush Dragon Ex back last year. Does seem to be hanging over the rear end a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Army FV434 Instructor Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I think the reason we couldent put FV430's on the back of DROPS had more to do with the width than anything else. (we carried CVRT often) Although the weight was a factor. Having said that how much did that stolly weigh? got to be about the same as a 430 series. The more I think about this i'm sure it was the width of a FV430 and it overhanged so the tracks werent fully on the flatrack, so therefore it couldent be secured safely and we couldent haul them. It was a definete no to us ever hauling them on DROPS even under STGO CAT 2 authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 It must be a pretty close-run thing, the 432's only about 20cm wider than a Stolly. Mind you, I wouldn't be dead keen on hauling a Stolly around on one either! :shake: Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 BV 206 weighs in at 4 tons so with full kit maybe 5 at worst. R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I think the reason we couldent put FV430's on the back of DROPS had more to do with the width than anything else. (we carried CVRT often) Although the weight was a factor. Having said that how much did that stolly weigh? got to be about the same as a 430 series. The more I think about this i'm sure it was the width of a FV430 and it overhanged so the tracks werent fully on the flatrack, so therefore it couldent be secured safely and we couldent haul them. It was a definete no to us ever hauling them on DROPS even under STGO CAT 2 authority. Yes 430 Series is to big for the flatrack so can't be secured safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antar Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I think the reason we couldent put FV430's on the back of DROPS had more to do with the width than anything else. (we carried CVRT often) Although the weight was a factor. Having said that how much did that stolly weigh? got to be about the same as a 430 series. The more I think about this i'm sure it was the width of a FV430 and it overhanged so the tracks werent fully on the flatrack, so therefore it couldent be secured safely and we couldent haul them. It was a definete no to us ever hauling them on DROPS even under STGO CAT 2 authority. 430 IS APROX 14 TONS Stalwart APROX 8 TONS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Army FV434 Instructor Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 yes ok its been nearly 20 years since i last drove or worked on a stolly (you start to forget little things like the weight of them after a time) Knew i was right about the flatrack size though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Leyland Drops Width = 2.50m Foden Drops Width = 2.90m Width of 430 series = 2.97m 432 to wide to be carried on Drops. Max weight flatrack laden = 15 Tonnes combined with load. Max weight 432 unladen = 13.60 Tonnes. (not Bulldog) Flatrack plus 432 = overweight Drops. However if I was getting shot at, get the bloody thing loaded and crack on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 the fv 430 across the tracks is about 2.5m so it would fit on...the body is a tad wider as we all know but the tracks are about the same as a stalwart. The crane version of a stolly would likely be around 9.5 to 11 tons depending one equipment fitted....and the standard mk 11 would be closer to 9 than 8. I am trying to get one of mine under 8 tons now to make it easier to MOT...may never get mot'd but its a plan... The problem with the drops vehicles, in my opinion, not technically is that you really do not want an 8 x 6 or 8 x 8 hauling anything like that on the roads, they are too slow and reliability would become an issue. The ideal vehicle would be something like a 8 x 4 with diff locks on the back wheels...all up weight would be 32 Tonnes and the bed is a good deal longer...the drops are too high...too unstable, too unreliable and not meant really meant for miles upon miles of road work...even though the army do use them for that... UK trucks with 4 axles have a maximum weight of 32 tons, depending upon axle type, but even if it is manufactured to carry 32.9 tons it can only have 32 tons all up in the UK ..unless it can be given some specialist vehicle class...(not going there) with a normal 8 x 4 you would likely be able to haul around 18 tons even with a hiab or big winch fitted to the truck...and with a 26 foot bed you could fit a few extra bits on the back too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Yes, 2.5 across the tracks exactly 2.97 overall. I still think the biggest issue is lashing it down. Not something I think you'd get away with on UK roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 DAF DROPS: GVW 32000kg, Unladen 17000kg Foden DROPS: GVW 32960kg, Unladen 17960kg Could probably just do it, but I don't reckon you'd want to - imagine your pain if VOSA stopped you and confiscated both! When laden with a flatrack and ISO container the DROPS vehicles (especially the Foden) are getting very close to maximum height; and that's with all the weight evenly spread. There must be a good reason the Army use low-loaders and HET, they didn't buy a load of kit from Oshkosh for fun... Stone It isn't just a question of Gross Vehicle weight. You also have to stay legal on individual axle weights, and you would be very lucky to have the C of G in the right place so that when on max GVW one axle at least hasn't gone over axle weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoggyDriver Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 David Crouch has a DROPS for sale on Milweb for £5,000 +vat ex Withams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 David Crouch has a DROPS for sale on Milweb for £5,000 +vat ex Withams That sounds too good to be true.........but read again, "also breaking, from £5,000" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Army FV434 Instructor Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 yes I also picked up on that when I read it. It must be properly knackered. It might not be to bad though, there'll soon be loads and some in good condition that's been parked up at TA centres ect coming onto the market anyway, as the MAN fleet starts to replace everything in the next few years, including new DROPS vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 yes I also picked up on that when I read it. It must be properly knackered. No, I think you missed the point, they bought a good one and advertised it with no price, but those at £5,000 upwards are the rougher ones. One in picture looks in pretty good shape, but I recollect there were some wrecks at Withams, from their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Army FV434 Instructor Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 No, I think you missed the point, they bought a good one and advertised it with no price, but those at £5,000 upwards are the rougher ones. One in picture looks in pretty good shape, but I recollect there were some wrecks at Withams, from their website. so you mean that gets the customers in and there going "ive got 5 grand i'll have that DROPS please", and they go "no this is the DROPS that you get for 5 Grand" and show you a pile of rust on some axel stands that's genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 so you mean that gets the customers in and there going "ive got 5 grand i'll have that DROPS please", and they go "no this is the DROPS that you get for 5 Grand" and show you a pile of rust on some axel stands that's genius Thats an old one, I remember many years ago going to a dealer who had Jeeps advertised at from £1500. The one at that price was not a pretty sight :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) Not that many Scammell ones still around though, I thought? The wrecks at Withams were all Foden ones with a few DAF. I've been corrected that there were never any RHD DROPS vehs - I was confused 'cos they made loads of RHD S26s like this: Stone Edited December 24, 2009 by Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoggyDriver Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 That's correct, there are no RHD DROPS, they are all LHD. Regarding David Crouch. Looking at the add again he has stated that they go from £5,000 upwards and some he is breaking. I don't think this add is a ploy by putting a good picture up to get people interested. David Crouch has a very good reputation. He wouldn't sell a vehicle to someone if it wasn't any good. He has the clout to buy a lot cheaper from Withams as he buys plenty from them, but he is known for selling vehicles with very little mark up (unlike Withams). All the people I've spoken to who have bought a vehicle from him have nothing but good words to say about him and are very happy with the vehicles they have bought. I bet you can probably get a good DROPS cheaper from him than you could from Withams, even though the vehicles came from Withams in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protruck Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Stone. Hi Nick. You could always convert one from LHD to RHD by use the Cab from an S26 sldt.:-D Clive ..................................... protruckservices.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Now that would be a nice project, but I'll save it for after the Lottery win Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antar Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 That's correct, there are no RHD DROPS, they are all LHD. Regarding David Crouch. Looking at the add again he has stated that they go from £5,000 upwards and some he is breaking. I don't think this add is a ploy by putting a good picture up to get people interested. David Crouch has a very good reputation. He wouldn't sell a vehicle to someone if it wasn't any good. He has the clout to buy a lot cheaper from Withams as he buys plenty from them, but he is known for selling vehicles with very little mark up (unlike Withams). All the people I've spoken to who have bought a vehicle from him have nothing but good words to say about him and are very happy with the vehicles they have bought. I bet you can probably get a good DROPS cheaper from him than you could from Withams, even though the vehicles came from Withams in the first place. I must agree with LoggyDriver, I have dealt with David for probably 25 years now and never had a bad deal, I have both bought and sold with him. He is also a collector and restorer owning some very nice and rare vehicles. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin royan Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Does anybody know the road speed of a drops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoggyDriver Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Does anybody know the road speed of a drops? Yep. They are mechanically governed to 50mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphibi boy Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 yes loggy driver you are correct! unless they were hooked up to my foden! :-D then they were quicker, once they was i was "free running" so could shoot off to where ever they had to be taken, i didnt have to sit behind the convy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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