Charlie2356 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Thank you, just waiting on a response for the FOI, had one just needed to clarify the time frame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) OK. So based on one or two new posts on this thread we have further progress on the identities or possible identities of most of the CVR(T)s sent to the Falklands with the Blues and Royals. Five vehicles are now confirmed, and three have possible identities which hopefully can be confirmed by some one more knowledgeable than me: 3 Troop 23 Scorpion 02 FD 92 (?). Scorpion / Sabre 02 FD 92 is pictured in page 2 of this thread in a posting by teletech. I am assuming that it is in the thread as it has been identified as an ex Falklands Scorpion. As 23A has been identified, 24 is most likely 02 FD 76, and 24A has a VRN starting 03 FD, by process of elimination 02 FD 92 would most likely be 23. In USA. 23A Scorpion 03 FD 38 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23B Scimitar 06 FD 06 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23C Scimitar 06 FD 97 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 4 Troop 24 Scorpion 02 FD 76 Confirmed today by Charlie2356. Scorpion / Sabre. Part owned by barrynevuk, Middlesex. 24A Scorpion 03 FD ?? 24B Scimitar 0? FD ?? Possibly 03 FD 34 or 03 FD 84? based on the notes by Charlie2356 following studies to the images on this post. 24C Scimitar 05 FD 72 (?) Unfortunately, both the line-up picture at Southampton and the rear view taken on Ascension Island are not great quality, and my attempts to enlarge the images weren't a great success, but based on these two photos 24C could be 05 FD 72. REME 28A(?) Samson 00 GM 45 Confirmed VRN, as on pictures on this post. The Callsign 28A is based on the post by FV1609, and I wondered if it was rebuilt as it was only a few months old? Thanks to sirhc for a copy of the Merlin Archive on this vehicle it obviously was rebuilt, and served with various units including a spell at BATUS in Canada. On 15/08/2013 it was at Witham (Specialist Vehicles) Ltd. However, the next entry reads "Date Not Recorded - RHG/D LAD". So at some point it was cast, but within the last nine years it has been taken back on strength, and has actually gone back to the Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons). Is it still serving with them? So can anyone confirm that Scorpion / Sabre 02 FD 92 is definitely a Falklands veteran? If so, it is probably call sign 23, which would also mean that all of 3 Troop's vehicles have survived. Scorpion / Sabre 02 FD 76 is now confirmed as call sign 24 of 4 Troop. However, we still do not have an identity for Scorpion call sign 24A other than 03 FD ??. Scimitar call sign 24B could possibly 03 FD 34 or 03 FD 84? Can anyone confirm this, or if mistaken assist in providing an alternative identity. And is Scimitar call sign 24C 05 FD 72? This would also suggest that if the information is correct, six of these machines are still around, with one of them possibly still in service. Can anyone out there add to this, or confirm whether the list is right or wrong? David Edited June 9, 2022 by David I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 OK. So based on one or two new posts on this thread we have further progress on the identities or possible identities of most of the CVR(T)s sent to the Falklands with the Blues and Royals. Five vehicles are now confirmed, and three have possible identities which hopefully can be confirmed by some one more knowledgeable than me: 3 Troop 23 Scorpion 02 FD 92 (?). Scorpion / Sabre 02 FD 92 is pictured in page 2 of this thread in a posting by teletech. I am assuming that it is in the thread as it has been identified as an ex Falklands Scorpion. As 23A has been identified, 24 is most likely 02 FD 76, and 24A has a VRN starting 03 FD, by process of elimination 02 FD 92 would most likely be 23. In USA. 23A Scorpion 03 FD 38 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23B Scimitar 06 FD 06 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23C Scimitar 06 FD 97 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 4 Troop 24 Scorpion 02 FD 76 Confirmed. Scorpion / Sabre. Part owned by barrynevuk, Middlesex. 24A Scorpion 03 FD ?? 24B Scimitar 0? FD ?? Possibly 03 FD 34 or 03 FD 84? based on the notes by Charlie2356 following studies to the images on this post. 24C Scimitar 05 FD 72 (?) Unfortunately, both the line-up picture at Southampton and the rear view taken on Ascension Island are not great quality, and my attempts to enlarge the images weren't a great success, but based on these two photos 24C could be 05 FD 72. REME 28A(?) Samson 00 GM 45 Confirmed VRN, as on pictures on this post. The Callsign 28A is based on the post by FV1609, and I wondered if it was rebuilt as it was only a few months old? Thanks to sirhc for a copy of the Merlin Archive on this vehicle it obviously was rebuilt, and served with various units including a spell at BATUS in Canada. On 15/08/2013 it was at Witham (Specialist Vehicles) Ltd. However, the next entry reads "Date Not Recorded - RHG/D LAD". So at some point it was cast, but within the last nine years it has been taken back on strength, and has actually gone back to the Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons). Is it still serving with them? So can anyone confirm that Scorpion / Sabre 02 FD 92 is definitely a Falklands veteran? If so, it is probably call sign 23, which would also mean that all of 3 Troop's vehicles have survived. Scorpion / Sabre 02 FD 76 is now confirmed as call sign 24 of 4 Troop. However, we still do not have an identity for Scorpion call sign 24A other than 03 FD ??. Scimitar call sign 24B could possibly 03 FD 34 or 03 FD 84? Can anyone confirm this, or if mistaken assist in providing an alternative identity. And is Scimitar call sign 24C 05 FD 72? This would also suggest that if the information is correct, six of these machines are still around, with one of them possibly still in service. Can anyone out there add to this, or confir whether the list is right or wrong? David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 I will have a little look on merlin archive later about the 03 FD 84 one. 02 FD 92 is mentioned in my new book and IS a Falklands veteran, and also attended the victory parade. Does not specify callsign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Thanks Charlie. Slowly but surely we're getting there. David. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 03FD84 was a scorpion, now sabre. the cards on merlin archive are pretty illegible though https://merlinarchive.uk/vehicle/03FD84 However, there still is a possibility of it being 03FD34 although there is not much info on it. https://merlinarchive.uk/vehicle/03FD34 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 We have probably got the 05 FD 72 assumptions correct, off merlin archive it is a scimitar, as is 24C. All we need is solid proof or this FOI request to turn something up. Almost fully solved this 13 years on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Samson callsign was just 28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Well, way back on 12th September 2009 the question was asked "Have any of the CVR(T)s used by the Blue & Royals in the Falklands War survived into preservation?" It looks as if five of the nine vehicles sent so still exist, three of the Scorpions, and two of the Scimitars. However, two of the three Scorpions are now Sabres. It is also possible that the Sampson exists, and could possibly still be serving with the Blues and Royals. And it would seem that all of 3 Troop's machines are still around, with three at Eden Camp in Yorkshire, and one in the USA. Not so much luck with 4 Troop. Only one vehicle Scorpion 02 FD 76 call sign 24 being positively identifies and being Can anyone fill in the gaps? known to have survived. There are a couple of possibly identities for others, but no details of their current status. Here is the latest revised list 3 Troop 23 Scorpion 02 FD 92 Confirmed. Scorpion / Sabre Charlie2356 confirms that in the Haynes CVR(T) book 02 FD 92 is identified as an ex Falklands Scorpion, although it does not confirm the call sign. But, as 23A is 03 FD 38, 24 is 02 FD 76, and 24A has a VRN starting 03 FD, by process of elimination 02 FD 92 has to be 23. In USA. 23A Scorpion 03 FD 38 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23B Scimitar 06 FD 06 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23C Scimitar 06 FD 97 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 4 Troop 24 Scorpion 02 FD 76 Confirmed. Scorpion / Sabre. Part owned by barrynevuk, Middlesex. 24A Scorpion 03 FD ?? Possibly 03 FD 34 or 03 FD 84? Both are / were Scorpion / Sabre. based on the notes by Charlie2356 following studies to the images on this post. 24B Scimitar 0? FD ?? 24C Scimitar 05 FD 72 (?) Unfortunately, both the line-up picture at Southampton and the rear view taken on Ascension Island are not great quality, and my attempts to enlarge the images weren't a great success, but based on these two photos 24C could be 05 FD 72. REME 28 Samson 00 GM 45 Confirmed VRN, as on pictures on this post. The Callsign 28 is confirmed in the Haynes CVR(T) book as posted by Charlie 2356. and a copy of the Merlin Archive on this vehicle posted by sirhc confirms it was rebuilt. On 15/08/2013 it was at Witham (Specialist Vehicles) Ltd. However, the next entry reads "Date Not Recorded - RHG/D LAD". So at some point it was cast, but within the last nine years it has been taken back on strength, and has actually gone back to the Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons). Is it still serving with them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 a copy of the Merlin Archive on this vehicle posted by sirhc confirms it was rebuilt. On 15/08/2013 it was at Witham (Specialist Vehicles) Ltd. However, the next entry reads "Date Not Recorded - RHG/D LAD". So at some point it was cast, but within the last nine years it has been taken back on strength, and has actually gone back to the Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons). Is it still serving with them? that’s not what it means at all, it just means no date was recorded for that entry. It will be in private hands or scrapped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 hours ago, sirhc said: a copy of the Merlin Archive on this vehicle posted by sirhc confirms it was rebuilt. On 15/08/2013 it was at Witham (Specialist Vehicles) Ltd. However, the next entry reads "Date Not Recorded - RHG/D LAD". So at some point it was cast, but within the last nine years it has been taken back on strength, and has actually gone back to the Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons). Is it still serving with them? that’s not what it means at all, it just means no date was recorded for that entry. It will be in private hands or scrapped. Having looked at Merlin archives in the past for various other vehicles, I am pretty sure where there is an entry at the bottom stating 'Date Not Recorded' this is the first holding unit and it would been in a period well before the Merlin system was introduced. Merlin does not always give a full history if the vehicle had been in service for a long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Many questions still unanswered, the FOI request I sent did not get anywhere, I might try and request any photos they have of CVRTs in the falklands or on Ascension island during ‘82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 There were some good photo's of the CVRT on the Falkland's in that program Mike Brewer did about the Chinook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 At the Falklands Victory Parade. Could be something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) Edited September 17, 2022 by Charlie2356 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) On 4/25/2022 at 10:09 AM, fv1609 said: This table covers the callsigns of interest for an Armoured Regiment that appears in Armour, Volume II, Part 4, The RAC Compendium 1971. Worth bearing in mind that while this callsign table indeed accurately reflects the state of affairs on Corporate, within a month of the end of hostilities it became obsolete. A Defence Council Instruction dated 1 July 1982 gave a complete rewrite to this table (there were differences between infantry, armour, everyone else callsigns that told a keen enemy operator the clue that this was, in this case, an armoured or recce squadron net). Every formation and unit net was redesigned to look the same. At the same time, IKTUGWEFA was dropped, since it explicitly told you what the net was, replaced by a daily changing prefix. There was a complete overhaul of Voice Procedure. And the concept of midnight became a thing. Heretofore, the day started at 0001 and ended at 2359. Urban myth declared the missing two minutes (2535901-000059) to be your own time. Midnight was now defined as 0000 at the start of the new day. Six weeks later I transferred out of armoured recce into a desk job, only for my new unit to discover my old role and put me in charge of their radio net on exercise. Edit. Worth noting that Armour Volume 2, whence this came, was subtitled The Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment. Armour Volume 1 discussed the Armoured Regiment. Another edit. In 1975, I was taught IKTUGEFA. At some point in the following seven years, Whiskey, the Artillery alternative prefix was added. Possibly 1977, when ownership of ATGM (Swingfire) assets passed from the RAC to the RA. Edited September 18, 2022 by AlienFTM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Hi all, I have something to revive this again after 2 years. Hope your all having a good 2024. Tonight on Facebook I saw a post from eden camp about their CVR(T)s, this picture is from Ascension Island and solves another mystery. Scimitar 06FD94 on the right if I am reading that correctly and by process of elimination that will be 24B. That will mean we have: 3.5/4 Scorpion VRMs (Missing half of 24A, we only know it is 03 FD ??) 3.99/4 Scimitar VRMs (24C we are only guessing from low quality images, believed to be 05 FD 72) and of course we have the Samson VRM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Dwyer Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Very late to this thread but I thought the attached may be of interest. The last image is really sad! All the best. A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Dwyer Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 The attached is from Martin Middlebrook's book ( 'The Fight for the Malvinas' p.255) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Dwyer Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Evidence of effective fire from Scorpion. Recovered from Wireless Ridge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) Ad On 5/3/2024 at 10:40 PM, Adrian Dwyer said: Very late to this thread but I thought the attached may be of interest. The last image is really sad! All the best. A Lovely pics, I dont think your too late... it was revived in 2022 by myself and a few others and we managed to figure quite a lot out! 03 FD 45 is not a Falklands CVRT, the destroyed Scorpion was 02 FD 76 Edited May 7 by Charlie2356 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Dwyer Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) On 5/7/2024 at 10:28 PM, Charlie2356 said: Ad Lovely pics, I dont think your too late... it was revived in 2022 by myself and a few others and we managed to figure quite a lot out! 03 FD 45 is not a Falklands CVRT, the destroyed Scorpion was 02 FD 76 Morning Charlie - so pleased the old warhorse didn't end its days with Fred Scuttle! All the best. A Edited July 22 by Adrian Dwyer image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 6/15/2022 at 9:52 PM, David I said: Well, way back on 12th September 2009 the question was asked "Have any of the CVR(T)s used by the Blue & Royals in the Falklands War survived into preservation?" It looks as if five of the nine vehicles sent so still exist, three of the Scorpions, and two of the Scimitars. However, two of the three Scorpions are now Sabres. It is also possible that the Sampson exists, and could possibly still be serving with the Blues and Royals. And it would seem that all of 3 Troop's machines are still around, with three at Eden Camp in Yorkshire, and one in the USA. Not so much luck with 4 Troop. Only one vehicle Scorpion 02 FD 76 call sign 24 being positively identifies and being Can anyone fill in the gaps? known to have survived. There are a couple of possibly identities for others, but no details of their current status. Here is the latest revised list 3 Troop 23 Scorpion 02 FD 92 Confirmed. Scorpion / Sabre Charlie2356 confirms that in the Haynes CVR(T) book 02 FD 92 is identified as an ex Falklands Scorpion, although it does not confirm the call sign. But, as 23A is 03 FD 38, 24 is 02 FD 76, and 24A has a VRN starting 03 FD, by process of elimination 02 FD 92 has to be 23. In USA. 23A Scorpion 03 FD 38 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23B Scimitar 06 FD 06 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23C Scimitar 06 FD 97 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 4 Troop 24 Scorpion 02 FD 76 Confirmed. Scorpion / Sabre. Part owned by barrynevuk, Middlesex. 24A Scorpion 03 FD ?? Possibly 03 FD 34 or 03 FD 84? Both are / were Scorpion / Sabre. based on the notes by Charlie2356 following studies to the images on this post. 24B Scimitar 06 FD 94 (?) Thought to be 24B by the process of deduction 24C Scimitar 05 FD 72 (?) Unfortunately, both the line-up picture at Southampton and the rear view taken on Ascension Island are not great quality, and my attempts to enlarge the images weren't a great success, but based on these two photos 24C could be 05 FD 72. REME 28 Samson 00 GM 45 Confirmed VRN, as on pictures on this post. The Callsign 28 is confirmed in the Haynes CVR(T) book as posted by Charlie 2356. and a copy of the Merlin Archive on this vehicle posted by sirhc confirms it was rebuilt. On 15/08/2013 it was at Witham (Specialist Vehicles) Ltd. However, the next entry reads "Date Not Recorded - RHG/D LAD". So at some point it was cast, but within the last nine years it has been taken back on strength, and has actually gone back to the Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons). Is it still serving with them? Revised list number 900000. We are very close to a complete list now. 3 Troop 23 Scorpion 02 FD 92 Confirmed. Scorpion / Sabre Charlie2356 confirms that in the Haynes CVR(T) book 02 FD 92 is identified as an ex Falklands Scorpion, although it does not confirm the call sign. But, as 23A is 03 FD 38, 24 is 02 FD 76, and 24A has a VRN starting 03 FD, by process of elimination 02 FD 92 has to be 23. In USA. 23A Scorpion 03 FD 38 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23B Scimitar 06 FD 06 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 23C Scimitar 06 FD 97 Confirmed. At Eden Camp. 4 Troop 24 Scorpion 02 FD 76 Confirmed. Scorpion / Sabre. Part owned by barrynevuk, Middlesex. 24A Scorpion 03 FD ?? Possibly 03 FD 34 or 03 FD 84? Both are / were Scorpion / Sabre. based on the notes by Charlie2356 following studies to the images on this post. 24B Scimitar 06 FD 94 (?) Thought to be this VRM by the process of deduction, we know its a Falklands CVR(T) as it appears in this photo on Ascension with the others. 24C Scimitar 05 FD 72 (?) Unfortunately, both the line-up picture at Southampton and the rear view taken on Ascension Island are not great quality, and my attempts to enlarge the images weren't a great success, but based on these two photos 24C could be 05 FD 72. o REME 28 Samson 00 GM 45 Confirmed VRN, as on pictures on this post. The Callsign 28 is confirmed in the Haynes CVR(T) book as posted by Charlie 2356. and a copy of the Merlin Archive on this vehicle posted by sirhc confirms it was rebuilt. On 15/08/2013 it was at Witham (Specialist Vehicles) Ltd. However, the next entry reads "Date Not Recorded - RHG/D LAD". So at some point it was cast, but within the last nine years it has been taken back on strength, and has actually gone back to the Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons). Is it still serving with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Dwyer Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Just come across this <https://www.facebook.com/groups/749749943166663/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=985706709570984> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2356 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 17 hours ago, Adrian Dwyer said: Just come across this <https://www.facebook.com/groups/749749943166663/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=985706709570984> 23A (03 FD 38) and 23C (06 FD 97) looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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