centi521 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 why is never a dherman for sale (or not so much ) ? it have a lot of shermans ( particularly in europa) ? i wan't one =( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centi521 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 This one was on a swiss military vehicle meeting ( nalé) 5tyrsy.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Nice! M4A4, presumably ex-range looking at the turret. M4A4T? Do you know what engine it has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Another M4A4! They are almost common now:-) FYI. Look at the front bogie, it has the upswept return roller, while the others are the flat type. Of no importance AT ALL, just noticed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Another M4A4! They are almost common now:-) FYI. Look at the front bogie, it has the upswept return roller, while the others are the flat type. Of no importance AT ALL, just noticed it. Common huh? Why I oughta..... :-D They have to have the correct engine to be counted you know! Good spot on the roller bracket, they are an interchangeable item so it's no surprise after 65 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Utah Beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Memorial to the Canadians at Courseulles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centi521 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 wow nice pics!!=O had the british one a diffrent turret(tower?) as the usa one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 did somebody notice that the one on Utah beach has an M10/Achilles final drive housing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 First two pics are an early M4A2, next is an M4A1(76)W HVSS which is a very late tank not actually seeing action in WW2 and the last is a Sherman V DD (M4A4 Duplex Drive). The 'different' turret on the M4A1 is the 76mm turret from the T23 project. It also has HVSS (different suspension with wider tracks) which came in in late 1944. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Why the toothed rear idler wheel on the Courseulles DD? Never noticed that before on a DD Sherman... is it right... what's it for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 It was to positively drive the propellers which were driven through a bevel box from the rear idlers. In practice it seems they were not necessary as the friction between the tracks and idlers was more than suficient. Often removed, the flange on the idler is a giveaway as to the tanks i.d. if the screen has been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Ahh cheers Adrian. I suppose that even whilst not under load (when floating) the tracks and running gear would still be under sufficient tension to drive the props around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Actually tighter, with the weight of the vehicle removed from the suspension, the wheels drop down and tighten the tracks. You get the same result when you remove a turret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centi521 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 1bh07a copy.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joris Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Oh my, is that a canvas bucket hanging from it's tow hook? :shocking: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Oh my, is that a canvas bucket hanging from it's tow hook? :shocking: Nah, its metal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centi521 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 M4-sherman-sunk-okinawa.jpg wow:shocked: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 M4-sherman-sunk-okinawa.jpg wow:shocked: Caption. "You'll keep on bailing till the tank is dry...so much for you saying it wasn't deep". :n00b: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centi521 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Caption."You'll keep on bailing till the tank is dry...so much for you saying it wasn't deep". :n00b: have I say the tank was sunk??? =S :n00b: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted February 14, 2009 Author Share Posted February 14, 2009 Adrian - are you saying the last picture of Degsy's taken outside the Utah museum - is not a WW11 Sherman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centi521 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 juno-4-8.1-Sherman tank.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Jack, The photo is an M4A1 76mm with HVSS*. That suspension type didn't appear until late 1944 and initially on the US army's 'chosen' Sherman type: the M4A3, that's the one with the V8 engine. They are oft termed the 'easy eight' as the original test vehicle was designated M4A3E8. Although M4A1E8's were produced during the war (so some sources say) I don't know if any got to Europe, I've never done a photo hunt**. I did a graph of Sherman production a while ago, which gives a good idea at a glance of when and where they were produced. It was only based on one source and I have already spotted some odd bits and pieces. *'Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension' easily identified by the VERY wide tracks introduced to drop the vehicles ground pressure, so that the Sherman wasn't quite so poor 'off-road'. **Adrian will fill in the blanks and then some:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 Thanks Alastair. I must say that I am completely confused with the amout of Sherman models:iamsmiling::computerrage: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Jack, M4A1(76) HVSS did make it to Europe by the end of WW2 but as far as can be ascertained, none were issued to units. As to Sherman models, 6 basic types, 4 armament options, 3 turret types, 3 suspension set ups, a host of variations in between..... Nothing to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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