Bicycle identification?

[lightweight]

Anybody any good at identifying bikes?

 

Picked one up for £30 at W&P. I thought at first that it was a Raleigh ('cos it said so on the chain guard!) but now I'm pretty sure it isn't.

 

It has a large S on the front lamp holder and the serial number, which is underneath the crank, is S021, and possibly another 1 after that and an R (hidden under brake assembly) - piccies below. You can also just see in the photo JTW to the right of the brake rod if you look - couldn't see it in the flesh but shows up well in the photo.

 

 

 

It's a girly shape frame with rod brakes and no gears. It was originally black but has has badly overpainted (in black). The mudguards and chain guard were originally cream or white - although I don't now think that they are original. Grateful for any help!

[chevpol]

is it a singer?

 

Mark

[Degsy]

Could be a Sunbeam

[Runflat]

Try the Veteran Cycle Club:

 

http://www.v-cc.org.uk/index.html

[lightweight]

Just googled Sunbeam and Singer - not either of those.

 

There doesn't appear to be a forum where I could ask on the Veteran Cycle Club site:(

[Degsy]

You'll have to wait for Tony B to come on, he seems to be an 'expert' on bikes....... and other subjects.:rolleyes:

[Guest catweazle (Banned Member)]

He is having a nap.

[lightweight]

Looks like he needs it - very pasty colour!

[Guest catweazle (Banned Member)]

Looks like he needs a pastie.

[6 X 6]

By the mid 1930's many independent bicycle manufacturers had been absorbed into the Raleigh empire and were hardly distinguishable from one another except by the headstock badge or transfer. There were a number of makes starting with S, Swift comes to mind as well as those already mentioned.

 

The problem is the S lamp bracket may well have started life on a different bike entirely and replaced a broken one. What would be helpful would be a few more 'photos including one of the crank design and chain guard.

 

You really need to go pre-1920 for really distinctive features on bicycles. From the little one can see of this machine it looks late 1930's - 1950's.

 

What makes you think it isn't a Raleigh, apart from the lamp bracket ?

[Tony B]

Just woken up long enough to pass this on. Belive it or not, one of the best places for info on old bikes is Harlow Musuem. They have a very good collection. I don't recognise the manufacturesr mark. As for pasties, never turn down free food , free tea or a chance of a P** :-D

[lightweight]

As I understand it, all Raleighs have the frame number stamped on the upright under the saddle. This one is underneath the crank. Also, you can look up Raleigh frame numbers and this one doesn't correspond to the archive

 

 

I think the chain guard might be Raleigh.....

[79x100]

The chainguard and wheel look 1960s to me and the rest looks older. I have to say that the 'S' looks like that from Singer to me.

 

Are the threads on the fork stem 26tpi cycle or BSF ?

[Tony B]

Spoke to my local Bike guru this morning. He could only think of two it may be a SUNBEAM or a SUN. They were diffrent makes thirty's to fifty's before they went they whay of the Railigh group.

[lightweight]

Are the threads on the fork stem 26tpi cycle or BSF ?

 

Did anybody hear a whoosh, or was that something going over my head?

[79x100]

I have an idea that Raleigh used 26 per inch threads on their bottom brackets and fork stems and most other makes used something coarser. Used to cause us no end of problems putting field bikes together with parts from the dump.

 

We owners of older Nortons have an obsession with cycle threads ! lovely large core diameters and resistance to loosening off.

[79x100]

Found it on the net...seems I was right about the 26 tpi but wrong about that being cycle thread on these bigger diameters.

 

Lots of Raleigh ID info here :-

 

http://sheldonbrown.com/raleigh26.html