Surveyor Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 It's interesting that the USA seemed to wait for Germany to decide to send tanks before they then decided to. Or am I being cynical Delete if not allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Or was it agreed earlier to make it easier(give them a push) for Germany to release Leopards... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted January 25, 2023 Author Share Posted January 25, 2023 That's a thought, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I think that it is everyone saying "No, after you!" but it was quite clear that it was all about pushing the Germans to release Leopard 2 because of the numbers available in Europe. Plenty of ammunition as well. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) I suspect all NATO parties will have had protracted discussions before releasing our state of the art tanks to Ukraine. It'll be interesting to see how they fare against what the Russians have to offer. Edited January 26, 2023 by John F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 It will also be interesting to see what Ukraine does with 34 M1 Abrams. I suspect they'll drive them around a bit and then park them away somewhere in favour of Leopard IIs? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 It is the lead in time for these tanks, learning how to operate them from servicing through to operations. But it is a major escalation with no UN involvement or diplomatic moves apparent. Putins rhetoric is very reminiscent of another dictator back in history calling for new super weapons to help win a war of aggression that he instigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 Yes I see one of Putin's not sure how to say "co person?" Has said it's now NATO against them. Another article says there is a person doing the rounds as a duplicate of Putin , who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 putin already has super weapons, about 5600 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, eddy8men said: putin already has super weapons, about 5600 of them. Putin has the option first of sailing carrier Admiral Kuznetsov + Aux. Group into the Black Sea , but I doubt he would ratchet up that way. Main problem being it's dry-docked until 2024 at the soonest - so it will not be a sitting duck soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 9 hours ago, ruxy said: Putin has the option first of sailing carrier Admiral Kuznetsov + Aux. Group into the Black Sea , but I doubt he would ratchet up that way. Main problem being it's dry-docked until 2024 at the soonest - so it will not be a sitting duck soon. The Turks have closed access to the Black Sea for military vessels and the Admiral Kuznetsov is stuck in drydock and may not sail again. After a series of mishaps, falling dockside crane and at least two fires it is unable to be moved out of drydock for fear of sinking. It's knackered. The mighty Russian military machine is not as mighty as they wanted the world to think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) On 1/26/2023 at 4:19 PM, John F said: I suspect all NATO parties will have had protracted discussions before releasing our state of the art tanks to Ukraine. It'll be interesting to see how they fare against what the Russians have to offer. apparently not that well so far, i see a Leo 2-6, Bradleys, a spartan? and they lost many other besides Edited June 10, 2023 by draganm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 On 1/28/2023 at 5:15 PM, ruxy said: Putin has the option first of sailing carrier Admiral Kuznetsov + Aux. Group into the Black Sea , but I doubt he would ratchet up that way. Main problem being it's dry-docked until 2024 at the soonest - so it will not be a sitting duck soon. why would they put their only carrier in the black sea, anything and everything in he Black Sea is in range of existing Ruso Naval and land-based Air assets. On 1/29/2023 at 2:27 AM, Mk3iain said: The Turks have closed access to the Black Sea for military vessels and the Admiral Kuznetsov is stuck in drydock and may not sail again. After a series of mishaps, falling dockside crane and at least two fires it is unable to be moved out of drydock for fear of sinking. It's knackered. The mighty Russian military machine is not as mighty as they wanted the world to think. just left Dry-dock, but still under repair. They really don't need it, what it would it protect or attack? Russia has and always will be a land based military power. https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/russias-sole-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov-leaves-drydock Aircraft carriers are tools of Global power projection, which is the realm of the old UK Empire and the current US empire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 hard to sell but judging from pic , turret shape and bore evacuator position , looks like another Leo 2 burning, At least the turrets stay on though, so the wrecks are easier to recover. A lick of paint and good as new . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 so didn't you guys train the Uke's there in the UK? Is it standard practice to bunch up all your armor in a tight wad on battlefield with missiles, laser guided Artillery, and Suicide drones all coming in from what look like and endless Rusi supply of this stuff? I was under the impression that during an assault you want some dispersion? This war has also been extremely light on tank engagements, mostly artillery and drones doing all the work, which at that point i don't think it matters what Tank make and model your trundling around in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 From what I gathered they may have followed the mine clearing tank? It might have broken down after which the vehicles passed it and drove on mines? But ofcourse, good and reliable info is hard to obtain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 that makes sense, i watched a Russian column have problems with mines and also bad outcome for the vehicles . The Russians tend to just swerve around the destroyed vehicle and keep charging forward, or try and swerve in big circle to go back, but equally bad results. I watched the strike on this Leo/Bradley grouping as it was stationary and it was hard to figure out what was hitting this bunch though. The Bradleys just started smoking and then exploding. Likely ATGM's , but they looked like they were coming from behind the direction the armor is facing? the Kornet has already shown effective against Turkish Leopards in Syria, where they blew up half a dozen, including turret-pops. Doesn't appear to be any effective countermeasure against Dual war-head top attack rockets at this point in Russia or NATO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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