stryker Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hi Guys, I collect 58 Patt kit, Ive got basic web set and i know how to assemble but i have no idea what goes in the kidney pouches and i was wondering if there were any extra pieces of kit that i should get. i was also wondering when the current style of helmet came in to the service i think it might have in the early eighties I'm not sure. Cheers dudes. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Thers a whole post down the list somewhere with pictures. That should have all the info you want. Post piccy of helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEnfield Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 might be worth sporting a call to Sabre down in southsea, re bits and pieces,..............not all that a-fait with58 patt, but they do have loads of stuff there. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 <Snip> i have no idea what goes in the kidney pouches depends what you are re-enacting. I remember once reading a story from a bloke who got run over by a Centurion (in the Korean War) in soft mud and because he had his mess tins, one in each kidney pouch, flat side next to his body, they spread the weight of the Cent just enough to stop it squashing his kidneys and breaking his back. ISTR Individual Rations were designed to fit inside the two mess tins and stowed thus inside the kidney pouches. In armour or recce you would eat Composite Rations (4-man or 10-man packs) off a plate, everything being stowed in a vehicle bin. Some units could get very precious about everybody stowing everything in exactly the same place so that if you picked up the wrong webbing, at least you'd still be able to find everything. But I am sure it was an SOP at the unit or even sub-unit level. In 15/19H nobody ever told me how or where to pack my webbing. Transferred out, was attached to a REME unit and had REME soldiers dictating to all and sundry how to pack webbing. But they never argued with me because I wasn't afraid to answer back. and i was wondering if there were any extra pieces of kit that i should get. i was also wondering when the current style of helmet came in to the service i think it might have in the early eighties I'm not sure. There was a complete tranche of new equipment planned for the 1980s, but a lot of it did not reach units until much later. I left in 1989 and never saw a new pattern helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardyferret Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Newer helmet was a million times better :-D As for SOP's on kit packing, there were set rules as a crow but once you grew up.... you were left to your own devices :whistle: As long as you somewhat resembled a member of this man's army ;-) I never bothered with kidney pouches just w/bottle pouches and some strange yank things I won :dunno: All my non essen kit in the bergan Never liked the modern type chest rigs etc, you feel like your in a straight jacket... Jack no smart remarks :evil: As for kidney pouches seem to remember trying to cram socks rat pack hexi boot clean kit and I'm sure there was some other really useful kit that HAD to go :sweat: in HF :-D :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 As for kidney pouches seem to remember trying to cram socks rat pack hexi boot clean kit and I'm sure there was some other really useful kit that HAD to go :sweat: in HF :-D :-D The RCK (Rifle Cleaning Kit) was usually consiered a good idea.. :-D :-D :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Ref RCK, i've got a couple pf SLR ones going spare if anyone wants one, I've got the inserts from the training manual, I'll scan and download them tomorrow. :computerterror: Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 yes please Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnkeyiand Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 My experience of '58 webbing is pretty much as already posted, when "grunting" :-(, and carrying one man rat packs, they were stowed in the mess tins in the pouches, other wise it was whatever needed stowing that might be necessary when separated from your bergen. Several people disposed of the kidney pouches in favour of water bottle pouches. Weapon cleaning kit was removed from it's normal tin and stowed in a small web pouch (9mm mag, I believe) between the buckle and left ammo pouch. I was issued my kevlar helmet @ 1987 but a mate who was previously with 59 cmdo had one @ 85(?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Sorry for the delay re manual downloads, I'm having scanner problems, will do them soon. Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 MANUAL PAGE1 &2 BAZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 page 3 & 4 Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Page 5 & 6 Sorry for the poor condition, the paper the manuals are printed on is very thin and dark coloured and I can't scan very well, any tips to improve are welcome. Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Very interesting. I will instruct Stryker James to look. Thanks a bundle Barry. If you're still happy to sell a SLR cleaning kit - I'm in. The boy will love one. All we need now is the SLR!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 No problems mate, let me have your address and you can have the SLR cleaning kit pro gratis, as it's no use to me anymore, you can get a good airsoft SLR as they have just come on the market, and http://www.relics.org do oe in wood with the wood or plastic furniture. Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Cheers Baz, see my PM you are very kind. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambo1969 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When I was in the cadets we used to fill the kidney pouches with all kinds of useless kit!(dirty books being the main one:shocked::whistle:). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Dirty books? Shock horror. If James is looking at dirty books, I'd prefer not to know....Do they teach that sort of stuff in the Air Training Corps? I thought it was all aircraft recognition and drill. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timinder Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I thought it was all aircraft recognition and drill. M And shooting, flying, gliding and more! :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snapper Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 And night exercises and marshalling charity events and church parades and other parades and adventure training and camping and the band and ..... 1312 Sqdn at Southend keep him busy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryH57 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 I presume '58 webbing was developed in 1958 but did it have to wait for Battledress to disappear in the early 1960's before it came in to use or was there a time when it was worn in place of WW2 style webbing with brown '49 Battledress? Any photos anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcap Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Cryopost revival time MANUAL PAGE1 &2 BAZ. Baz, any chance you can repost the manuals - I have a feeling it'll come in handy for my group shortly Cheers in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Yeah he'll have offenders doubling about in full kit with rifle over the head. :cool2: Are you heading for Military Mayhem then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ives Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 roger isnt but i will be there with a full set of 58 pattern kit including poncho that i was given Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Stick kettle on then! God and weather permitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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