Marmite!! Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hi, When I phoned VOSA about an MOT for my Ferret I was told I could make the declaration for exemption, but that the vehicle would be limited to 40 mph. As anybody else heard this The cleaner must of picked up the phone :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooTallMike Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hi, When I phoned VOSA about an MOT for my Ferret I was told I could make the declaration for exemption, but that the vehicle would be limited to 40 mph. As anybody else heard this That's superb! I don't suppose you got the VOSA officer's name did you? I'm sure their supervisor would be interested to hear of policy being pulled out of thin air like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Why should they change the habit of a lifetime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REME 245 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Sorry I am still a little confused after reading this thread. Are we saying that Ferrets can claim the 1960 excemption (if appropriate) for HGV's, or only if they are taxed in one of the specific tax excempt groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Sorry I am still a little confused after reading this thread. Are we saying that Ferrets can claim the 1960 exemption (if appropriate) for HGV's, or only if they are taxed in one of the specific tax exempt groups. Thats kind of the point - there is no consistent answer given because neither the DVLA nor VOSA have given a definitive ruling on the matter. Lots of people have been given lots of individual answers by "Swansea" over the last few years all of which seem to make sense and be authoritative at the time they asked. in practice, pre 1960 Ferret owners do claim the 1960 HGV related exemption irrespective of what it says on their V5 as their registration class. IMHO you take you pick and take your chances - or simply get an MOT and be certain you are right John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 IMHO you take you pick and take your chances - or simply get an MOT and be certain you are right John John, what class have you MOT'd yours under.. it doesn't fall under class VII from what I can tell :dunno: Class VII - Goods vehicles (between 3000 kg and 3500 kg in gross weight) HGV test - Applicable to most vehicles over 3500 kg in gross weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 John, what class have you MOT'd yours under.. it doesn't fall under class VII from what I can tell :dunno: Hi Lee Bit of background first: I used to get my MOT done at the local VOSA HGV test station where there was an ex REME VM who "did a proper job" on it :shake: Then VOSA changed its regulations and refused to do my test because my V5 states mine is a PLG and they they said they no longer tested class 4 (or class 7) and the alternative they suggested was to take it to the place which does all the local council's vehicles as they had the facilities to cope with "big stuff". So thats where I go to this day. Thinking about it, and to answer your question, I don't actually know what class it is tested as now, since the council depot are a bit keen on the vehicle and a bit less keen on the paperwork if you get my meaning ... I will have to consult my documents and see if I can work it out because up to now I have simply taken it as read that I have the correct paperwork. I have not really examined the V5 other than to note its classed as a PLG in the same way as my car. I bought it via R&R Services in 1991 and they did the initial registration for me so I simply took the V5 as read and in those days in my innocence all I knew about exemption was that a post 1960 vehicle could not claim "age related" exemption and R&R did all their stuff on "Q" plates anyway so age never entered into it. They presented registrations to the Maidstone office nearly very month and as the clerks there were used to it I presume they had an arrangement with R&R about how to class stuff in those days . Clearly things have now changed and I am open to being corrected. When the tax free legislation came in I changed my reg from a "Q" plate to an age related plate and the DVLA local office (Wimbledon) would only agree to that after a physical inspection but the veracity of the V5 class and details was not questioned by them - but then again as we have said throughout this thread the clerks at VOSA and DVLA do not have the knowledge or a consistent view on how to treat MV's I would be happy to entertain alternative views from you or others on how to interpret the regulations since I am no authority nor do I claim to be! QUESTION Given the e mail I have from VOSA as referred to in my original post states Mr Richard Underwood Senior Technical Officer at VOSA HQ considers the Ferret to be a motor tractor and therefore exempt do you know what is the definition of a motor tractor and can you only claim that category of exemption if that's what it says on your V5. I will shortly have the same issue with the Fox - Chris McM tells me his is a motor tractor because it is designed to carry a gun but seems to stretch the point a point You have me really worried now because i have a habit of making assumptions rather than checking myself and in this case I assumed that because I have an MOT certificate I was covered, but if the class is wrong presumably the paperwork is invalid :dunno: John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 John, Certainly a lot to think about there... I would of thought the tax class for your Ferret wold be Historic :dunno: my Fox is registered as a Specialist Vehicle & tax class Private HGV... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambo1969 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 If you did take it to a MOT test centre, I would imagine when they put the reg no in thier computer it will tell them if it is MOT exempt. I have always got on well with my MOT tester, I have used the same one for years and he likes testing MV's, it makes a change from mondeos. A good MOT tester can see if you look after your vehcile and will normally just give you an advise rather than fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 John, Certainly a lot to think about there... I would of thought the tax class for your Ferret wold be Historic :dunno: my Fox is registered as a Specialist Vehicle & tax class Private HGV... Yes of course - wasn't thinking it is historic tax class - didn't know there was a registered type as well as tax type. If so I have no idea what it is, will have to read the V5 properly! I'll check with Stan how the Fox has been registered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Yes of course - wasn't thinking it is historic tax class - didn't know there was a registered type as well as tax type. If so I have no idea what it is, will have to read the V5 properly! I'll check with Stan how the Fox has been registered Sorry John, I meant registered body type on the V5 is Specialist Vehicle :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Sorry John, I meant registered body type on the V5 is Specialist Vehicle :-D ah right! I have the default that DVLA seems to use when they don't know: something like - rigid body 2 axle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 If you did take it to a MOT test centre, I would imagine when they put the reg no in thier computer it will tell them if it is MOT exempt. I have always got on well with my MOT tester, I have used the same one for years and he likes testing MV's, it makes a change from mondeos. A good MOT tester can see if you look after your vehcile and will normally just give you an advise rather than fail. Not sure about that - on the computer it will only show what-s on your V11 reminder, ie if DVLA reckon you need an MOT then the "computer says No" (exempt) You're so right about a good MOT tester - part of the deal with the council guys is they draw the line when it is reasonable to do so and we both agree they cannot give an advisory only on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saracenstump Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 the mot computer would have a fit if you tried to put anything like these into it,because these are a specailist vehicle they as far as i know exempt,for example tractors,combineharvesters, tracked vehicles,recovery trucks etc. as for a shoreland its a car derived vehicle and could possibly be tested but its weight would probably confuse the system.until the tax form says mot certificate required i wouldn't worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 .until the tax form says mot certificate required i wouldn't worry. but thats the point - the V11 does say MOT required :computerterror: hence all the debate about claiming exemptions for those of us with vehicles registered some time ago under inconsistent classes or different classes to those they use today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 John, The renewals for my Ferret never ask for an MOT. I take a V112G along to the post office just incase they ask, but it's never been a problem as long as I've had it. When I registered it I asked the bloke if it qualified to be MOT exempt, he said yes, and must have pressed the right button on the PC! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 but thats the point - the V11 does say MOT required :computerterror: hence all the debate about claiming exemptions for those of us with vehicles registered some time ago under inconsistent classes or different classes to those they use today I enquired about getting mine changed to exempt & was told they don't exempt vehicles automatically, was told just to tick the exemption box on the V11 & use the V112G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 John, The renewals for my Ferret never ask for an MOT. I take a V112G along to the post office just incase they ask, but it's never been a problem as long as I've had it. When I registered it I asked the bloke if it qualified to be MOT exempt, he said yes, and must have pressed the right button on the PC! Chris Chris Thanks, you once again demonstrate the wonderful inconsistency which is our British Civil Service when faced with having to think for themselves. I was told the same as Lee - they can't automatically exempt it, you have to claim each year - can you bottle your magic touch and sell some of it to the rest of us :-D John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 John, I'd hardly call it a magic touch.. I guess the people who work at the Nottingham office must just be pretty laid back! You know what's going to happen now though, the next one will be a nightmare! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saracenstump Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 this may put another question in the pot ,but to test something,the tester has to have the appropaite license to test the vehicle ,how many hgv or car testers do you know that have driven any of these? :dunno: as a tester you can only test things that are visable,most testable things are hidden and or are missing from our vehicles. specalist equipment would be needed to test the few vehicles, that it would be uneconomical to invest in it, as how many ferrets are there in private hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 licence :? Yes assuming you are not present and the brake test is done on the public road but surely you would not leave the Ferret in their tender hands, surely you would have driven it there yourself and supervise the test anyway because, as you say, they will not know where the controls are. You as the presenter have the right to drive the vehicle during the test and, much as they may want to drive it, you can stop them. Given the folllowing very brief overview of the testable items the only area for some doubt is over visual inspection of the fuel lines. For everything else the MOT is about what is visible during the test without dismantling components. Steering: visual checks of components which can be inspected from either inside or underneath the vehicle including when steering operating under load Lights: Headlamp alignment, Operation of indicator, hazards (where fitted), side and brake lights. Operation of tell tales (where fitted). Rear reflectors Brakes: Obviously it is necessary to check brake efficiency and balance on a road test with a portable decelerometer. Inspection of visible components (external checks only of drums) Suspension: Rules state the specific nature of any examination will depend to a large extent on the design of the suspension system but is of visible components only and is concerned with condition (leaks etc). Examiners are not stupid and will not try the bounce test! Exhaust: System must be complete and intact. Emissions checks are restricted to visual only for a vehicle of the Ferret’s age (Excessive smoking is a reason for failure) Fuel system: Any fuel leak will result in a fail. Checked under the bonnet and throughout the run of the fuel line from the fuel tank to the engine. Tyres: Condition and tread depth (note - spare tyre is excluded from the test but where fitted externally must be secure and unable to fall off) Body condition: State of structural corrosion (as if!!) Seats: Securely attached Seat belts: (where fitted) must be tested for security of attachment and operation Horn: operates and is of correct type Mirrors: (where applicable) secure, visible from the driver's seat Registration plate and VIN plate: present and correct Doors, bonnet, windscreen: Beneath comment! No specialist equipment is required other than the ability to lift the vehicle for the steering operation test - any MOT test station doing Class 7 tests will be so equipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saracenstump Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 looks like you swallowed the manual, :-D ;-)but if you put all these into practice then everything that drives on the road would need one.if you took it to an mot station they would probably freak.there are exemptions for a reason the only thing that needs to be done is that it has to be made clearer.as for the mot test it depends on how you interpret the manual so its down to the tester at the time as for the licence you can't test a motorbike if you don't have the license same for the cars and hgv because you may need to move the vehicle.when the ministry tests the hgvs the drivers sit in the waiting room as far as i know. as for the other bits it would depend on the year eg fog lights,rear seat belts,emmissions etc the other thing would be would you test the periscopes closed down or open,brakes forward and backwards cause they can do the same speed? :whistle: :dunno: :-D :-D :-Dthankfully they are exempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 LGV's are tested with the driver in the cab operating the controls as instructed by the tester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferret Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 When I test my 1937 BSA M21, the guy has a look round it, sounds the horn, then puts down that he as road tested it. We then have a nice cup of tea, so that the necessary time as elapsed for the computer. :-D I claim exemption for the Ferret! I did approach a couple of local garages regarding MOT and they didn't seem too keen. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 . looks like you swallowed the manual, :-D ;-)but if you put all these into practice then everything that drives on the road would need one But the point is this is the standard you must meet whether its an MOT tester who does it or you who are self certifying through claiming an exemption. I quite agree its a bit silly for a Ferret but that's not the point, demonstrating road safety is however if you took it to an mot station they would probably freak. they did :drool: - they coudn't wait to get in and drive it - I won't let them :evil: because none of them knew the first thing about pre select boxes thankfully they are exempt This is the whole point of this thread - many of us claim exemption but none of us have a definitive understanding on what basis we claim it because neither VOSA nor DVLA will give a consistent answer or commit to a decision themselves. Please define a "motor tractor" :dunno: or "goods vehicle first used before Jan 1960 gross weight >3.5T" :dunno: when applied to Ferret for those are the exemptions we claim :schocked: As I say I'm just talking from my personal experience - I don't really care if you disagree its a free world :yawn2: :died: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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