ruxy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 SOURCE. http://io9.com/has-ground-penetrating-radar-discovered-the-nazi-gold-t-1727432557 ============================ Improbable Andrew Liptak 8/29/15 10:33am As a geophysicist who actually works with GPR: Seriously? First, the train is going to have to be physically buried. If it’s simply in an old tunnel that’s been sealed off with a big air gap around the train, GPR isn’t going to see it at all. This means that somebody dug a hole and actually dropped the train into it. Maybe they dug a trench next to the tracks and just pushed it over sideways. Second, being able to say definitively that it has gun turrets is pretty dubious. It’s going to depend on how big they are and how they’re oriented relative to the rest of the train, but unless they’re pretty big and sticking out solidly from the rest of the mass, they’re going to be really tough to discern. Given that the Nazis would presumably want to recover the train at some point, burying the entire train in the ground seems like a terrible idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Well, No Hitler Diaries, or Trucks loaded with gold in Lakes. have been located for a few years, so I guess it's about time we had a another 'Good Story' in the News! Yep, we are well overdue some tales of Former Nazi loot!.....:laugh: Human nature being what it is. I guess we would all pretty much like this to be true. But Reality is somewhat different! :-X As the war has long ended. IF & I stress IF. this story just happens to be true. Then anyone who was connected with the train. May well be long dead/ killed in Action / Executed / Murdered to prevent them from taking action/passing the info on. To preserve security Etc. We all know what certain sections of the Third Reich were like!......:undecided: It is likely a fable/ Tale Fairy story. BUT, wouldn't it be very interesting if it were True?.................:red: As an aside, in my view. There wouldn't be 'Gun Turrets' on this Fabled train. In Reality, there WOULD be quad mounted 20mm Flak gun's on Rail flat Cars. Manufacturing a 'Specific' type of Armoured Train, would have drawn attention that would have been unwanted!............Jut my own thought's on this topic!....:angel: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeePig Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Armoured trains readily come to mind in Poland, as a number where successively used in Poland in 1939, while when I visited the railway museum in Warsaw 2006 they had an actual armoured train (of what vintage I do not know). trevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Nice Photo! But is it a GERMAN Manufactured train. Or a Polish one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzkpfw-e Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's a German one. Panzertriebwagen Nr 16 (PzTrWg 16 or PT 16).Russian 76,2 mm FK 295/1 gun in a turret. Similar with a 105mm howitzer. Other versions had panzerIV turrets, Flakvierling or 37mm Flak guns, flat beds with (often) Pz38t on them, that had ramps to off-load & pursue partisan attackers, others mounted complete, obsolete, French tanks or some of "Bekker's Funnies" on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 As soon as the GPR discussion started the odds of reality has dropped. As with what Ruxy said GPR is as blind as a mole and relies on the homogeneity of the dirt (an inexact science at best). Last I looked GPR looking at the depths discussed would be even worse plus bulking but no-one noticed these guys trundling around the countryside with a 4x4 towing the GPR. Still hope something gets dug up but the rent a crowd experts the news media always drag in take logic and throw it out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 As soon as the GPR discussion started the odds of reality has dropped. As with what Ruxy said GPR is as blind as a mole and relies on the homogeneity of the dirt (an inexact science at best). Last I looked GPR looking at the depths discussed would be even worse plus bulking but no-one noticed these guys trundling around the countryside with a 4x4 towing the GPR. Still hope something gets dug up but the rent a crowd experts the news media always drag in take logic and throw it out the window. ======== Scroll down for photograph of drilling-rig :- http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/nazi-gold-train-russia-could-6350129 There is a possibility (think positive) , if IF these toolpushers have been drilling on sound information and broken through the roof of a cavern , then a conventional camera probe could have been lowered. https://twitter.com/Exen/status/637212825266593792/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw It is a standard type rig as used for drilling on top of a quarry face , bore hole abt. 4" dia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) The most exciting thing I've found so far is a small cavern (void) 5 metres down which turned out to be an old Morris Traveller :rolleyes: Edited August 31, 2015 by N.O.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeePig Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 As soon as the GPR discussion started the odds of reality has dropped. As with what Ruxy said GPR is as blind as a mole and relies on the homogeneity of the dirt (an inexact science at best). Now that people are mentioning the Amber Room, the odds of success are dropping like a stone trevor ps: thanks Pzkpfw-e, I had no idea where the armoured train originally came from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian L Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show sometime between 12:00-14:00 today, they will be discussing it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 All that seems to be missing now is a rabbit looking at a pocket watch.:yawn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Suslowicz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 All that seems to be missing now is a rabbit looking at a pocket watch.:yawn: "Reichsbahndirektionen regret the late departure of the 1944 armoured train service to Berlin. This is due to a signal failure at Clapham Junction. Please listen for further announcements." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Investagative resources of the DM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216741/A-family-brutally-murdered-secret-police-threats-deathbed-confession-Treasure-hunter-spent-40-years-searching-Nazi-gold-train-reveals-dark-secrets.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 QUOTE from the DM. Holding up an old black and white wartime photo showing a man and two young boys standing outside a house with a tiled roof, Slowikowski said: 'This house used to overlook the track. 'From the top window you could see everything coming and going on the railway line. On the 5th of May 1945, the family living there were all shot dead and the house razed to the ground. It was three days before the Soviets took the town. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216741/A-family-brutally-murdered-secret-police-threats-deathbed-confession-Treasure-hunter-spent-40-years-searching-Nazi-gold-train-reveals-dark-secrets.html#ixzz3kOlm3IZg Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook ============== Now look at the rear of the car in photograph background , seems post WW2 design , therefore photograph later than the stated - 5th of May 1945. In a way looks something like a Renault Dauphine ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltwtbarmy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 QUOTE from the DM. ============== Now look at the rear of the car in photograph background , seems post WW2 design , therefore photograph later than the stated - 5th of May 1945. In a way looks something like a Renault Dauphine ? Yep, never knew the FSO Syrena was produced in wartime:rolleyes: Speaking of photographs, did anyone notice the warhistoryonline item on the train? There's a photo mentioning a second, missing train, which shows a soldier in american uniform in it. Wasn't missing for very long was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 "Reichsbahndirektionen regret the late departure of the 1944 armoured train service to Berlin. This is due to a signal failure at Clapham Junction. Please listen for further announcements." No that is due a leaf on the line around Paris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
militant-nick Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 ======== Scroll down for photograph of drilling-rig :- http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/nazi-gold-train-russia-could-6350129 There is a possibility (think positive) , if IF these toolpushers have been drilling on sound information and broken through the roof of a cavern , then a conventional camera probe could have been lowered. https://twitter.com/Exen/status/637212825266593792/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw It is a standard type rig as used for drilling on top of a quarry face , bore hole abt. 4" dia. “Lawyers, the army, the police and the fire brigade are dealing with this,” Marika Tokarska, an official at the Walbrzych district council, told Reuters. This is all getting a bit Dads-Army-church-hostage esq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Now back-tracking into that lost tunnel LoL http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-31/poland-backtracks-on-nazi-gold-train-find-asks-for-army-help Edited August 31, 2015 by ruxy link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draganm Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 backtracking? So no tiger Tank battalion ? :laugh: oh well, we still have combat dealers this Wednesday night and a new JagdPanther being born. Gonna be one hell of a Stork to drop that baby off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's a German one. Panzertriebwagen Nr 16 (PzTrWg 16 or PT 16).Russian 76,2 mm FK 295/1 gun in a turret. Similar with a 105mm howitzer. Other versions had panzerIV turrets, Flakvierling or 37mm Flak guns, flat beds with (often) Pz38t on them, that had ramps to off-load & pursue partisan attackers, others mounted complete, obsolete, French tanks or some of "Bekker's Funnies" on them. So THAT'S how they protected all the Pies that went to the Whermacht equivalent of the N.A.F.F.I.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Or is the local equivalent of security on the Football Special? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Seems as if a bramble thicket has been cleared in advance of the diggers. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nazi-gold-train-fire-engulfs-suspected-location-of-vehicle-10480323.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fesm_ndt Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Lucky no-one had chained themselves to the brambles to protect the rare and endangered badgers that live there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughman Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 If they don't find the badgers then the Newts will be next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 DM continuation :- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3218376/Treasure-hunters-reveal-Nazi-loot-gold-train-tunnel-Polish-secret-agents-set-hi-tech-equipment-site-digging-won-t-start-SPRING.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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